Sopply Stinko Joe vs. Kelly "The Brave" Pavlik

Most here will pick sloppy because he's cagey, holds a lot, impresses judges with flurries of slaps, and in general, is impossible to beat ny decision.

And Sloppy dealt with Kessller's solid fundamentals.

SO what does Kelly bring that could possibly win him the fight? Could he? I'd hve an orgasm if he did. Sloppy needs to be pushed off the map - yeah that's right - thr earth is flat and sloppy has a long fall to nowhere.

what does everyone think?

 

Weirdest opening post of a thread I've seen in the general forum in quite some time. :dunno:

 

Well said.

 

what's so weird about it? isn't it a natural question: who wins, sloppy or pavlik?

 

Hopkins will beat Sloppy an this question will just be dust in wind....dust n the winnndd...

 

Joe beats Pavlik. I used to hate Joe too but hes stepped up recently and proved himself.

 

I think your psyche evaluation is long overdue... :notallthere:

The only realistic way for Pavlik to win is to land the 'Hail Mary' right cross after backing Joe up all night, but that is exactly what Mikkel tried and in the end he came up plenty short.

There was one other glimmer in the Kessler fight that Kelly could perhaps utilize. Joe seemed somewhat susceptible to the short right uppercut, which Kessler landed plenty early doors and connected almost every time he threw it. Again though, once Joe realised this was the danger shot he just put more distance between him and Mikkel and took away the shot.

I like Kelly, but he is tailor made for Joe IMO. Joe would win a very, very wide UD if they fought, and sadly for you, your orgasm would have to be postponed...

 

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I AGREE with Illum that it is a moot question cuz Hopkins is gonna rape Sloppy joe

 

Pavlik DEFINITELY has a Good Chance...

He's a PUNCHER, he Punches STRAIGHTER & he Could MATCH Calzaghe's Workrate...

Calzaghe's MUCH Faster w/his Hands, but he DOESN'T MOVE All that Much, Considering how GIFTED he Is Athletically...WHEN Calzaghe Moves, it's to Get AWAY from his Opponent...He's NOT a "Stick & Move" Type...

Calzaghe IS Hittable, Especially when he ENGAGES...Pavlik Could Eventually TIME Calzaghe's Offensive Rushes & he'd DEFINITELY Screw w/Calzaghe's Rhythm w/his Own Jab...

Pavlik is Hittable Himself, but REED likes Pavlik's Chances of Hurting Calzaghe MORE than he Likes Calzaghe's Chances of Hurting Pavlik...

The Easy Comparison is Calzaghe-Kessler & 1 would ASSume that Calzaghe Beats Pavlik the Same Way..."However", Pavlik has MORE RESOLVE than Kessler, N REED's Opinion...

Pavlik WOULDN'T Look as NOTICEABLY DISCOURAGED as Kessler Did, if/when Things Started going Calzaghe's Way...

Calzaghe SHOULD B Favored, but it's a 55-45 Fight N REED's Opinion...



REED

 

you failed to address entirelty (perhaps deliberately) the fact that pavlik is very effective fighting idsnides as well as outside.; thid was not the casewith kessler who let's let's face it wasn't even comfortable with having hid right foot in front of hids left.

 

Honestly i think Pavlik would have a really hard time hitting Joe. His defence is really underated. Joe would have no problems hitting Pavlik.

 

Kessler is a poor man's Pavlik

Pavlik does not get discouraged and would keep on comin..

but.. I hope and think Hopkins will do it for us, for once and for all get rid of sloppy joe

 

I did address this- I said that Kelly could try and throw uppercuts like Kessler did as they landed quite often and rocked Joe back, especially in the 4th round of that fight. In fact, I said that this was tactic Kelly should consider if they fought if he wanted to win.

Kessler's problem was that Joe got wise to him around Round 6 and began to adjust- putting distance between him and Mikkel and keeping his range, moving in throwing flurries, then getting out of range again.

As REED correctly points out, Kelly would almost certainly try to jab his way in and try to throw that winning right hand. This would be his best chance, but I think Joe's foot speed (which may not be the equal of his hand speed but is still better than Kelly's footwork IMO) would allow him to slip away from the end of the jab and allow him space and angles to come in and throw those quick, winning flurries.

I just can't see Kelly winning.

Now then, are you drunk Double? You are acting most erratically...

 

The PROBLEM is, Calzaghe ISN'T an "Outside"/Perimeter Fighter...

He's ATHLETIC Enough to Do it, but he NEVER Has for Whatever Reason...

Calzaghe will Bounce on his Toes on the Outside, but when he's READY to Punch, he Gets Fairly Close then Rips a Combo...Over the Course of a Fight, Pavlik WILL Time Calzaghe's Rushes @ Least a Time or 2 w/his Jab...

Also, While Calzaghe is Unleashing a Combo, Pavlik WILL Fire Back..."Punch when he Punches", as Buddy McGuirt Told Tarver N the RE w/Roy...

Calzaghe's MOST Susceptible WHEN he Punches...He Leaves his Chin N the Air & Pavlik has PROVEN he's More than Willing to TAKE some Shots to LAND his Own...



REED

 

Pavlik is also much easier to hit than Kessler, doesn't punch as straight as Kessler and I am not sure if he hits harder than Kessler.

Calzaghe beats him without a problem. Hopkins will give him more trouble, that old bastard is tricky

 

I agree with RJJP4P- I doubt Kelly actually gets to hit Joe all that often.

Early on, Joe might try to 'Man Up' and fight Pavlik's type of fight, but as the fight goes on and he gets hit he'll go back to the tried and tested method of staying outside, moving in to throw those flurries, and moving the hell back out to prepare a fresh attack.

It makes opponents look rally slow and really dumb- remember how poor Lacy and Kessler looked trying to hit what was there but has moved and is now throwing shots from elsewhere?

Also, I'm not sure that Pavlik would carry his power at 168 (presuming the fact takes place there). He sure didn't look quite as murderous at 166 against Taylor, albeit it may be that he had an injury. I'd certainly like to see him fight at 168 again to allay that possibility.

 

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The question of who would win between Calzaghe and Pavlik is not the weird part. The weird part was the homoerotic/sadistic/homicidal imagery coupled with childlike sentence structure. Frankly, it came across as just plain weird.

Are you on prescription medication, perhaps? This is not an insult but an honest question. :dunno:

 

:laughing:

I would swear that Double is drunk. Why else would anyone state in public that they would have an orgasm if Kelly Pavik beat Joe Calzaghe?? :dunno:

 

You could very well be right on all counts here Ugo...

 

The guy really understands boxing I think

 

Pavlik's jab is what makes him different, and consequently a more difficult opponent than Kessler.

The long, well-timed jab of Pavlik would go a long way toward nuetralizing Calzaghe's hand speed advantage.

I think this would be a much closer fight than people think.

 

YEP...

A JAB is PROVEN to Neutralize SPEED if TIMED Correctly...Vernon Forrest OWNS Sugar Shane BECAUSE of his Jab & Timing...


REED

 

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

dude, i'd fess up to anything i'm on, nut honestly, i've read the post 4 times and don't find anything too weird about it.

 

Of course, you don't, you wrote it. ::

 

pavlik is more fluid and less predictable than kessler. he studies his opponents. did you see his attempts to catch taylor with the short upper-cut, in preparation of taylor's side-ways escapes/ i'm telling hyou. pavlik is probably better than most people think. he's strong, lonh, powerful, plus he's smart and disciplined. and his stremgths can overcome hand-speed as we saw, which is probably pavlik's biggest deficiti. but he makes up for it offensively witrh timing and combinations. he's a handful. if we're lucky we'll find out how big of one he is.

 

IMO Pavlilk is MUCH better than Kessler..

I'd actually pick him to beat Sloppy joe right now

or as Double bubble calls him

"Sopply Stinko" :laughing:

 

the part about the world being flat might have seemed strange, but it was a metaphor to indicate that sloppy's fame is entirely based on his never having lost -that if and when he does lose noone will care about him - lind of like a flat world, if e steps the wrong way he's gone versus a round one in which he can be relocated and appreciated once again.

slappy, by fighting primarily no-names (with few exceptions), has created for himself a flat world. same is true of PBF.

PBF's atithesis is Gatti - win or lose, we wanna see him again.