SPOILER - CARL FROCH

He was impressive again tonight, although he was fighting a bum.

Jake has said on these pages that Froch is a top 5 SMW at the minute.

Anyone agree or disagree with this analysis? The fucker can punch, if nothing else... :dunno:

Thoughts?

MTF opcorn:

 

168 is WIDE FUCKING OPEN. With Mundine moving down, Calzaghe moving up...Dawson looking to move down to 168. There are sooo many chances for young fighters to step up.

Froch is a good fighter. Spastic, but good. When he loses, it'll be an embarrasing kind of defeat, because fighters with his style get done in ugly fashion when they're finally 'exposed'. But while he's undefeated, he's a handful for anyone.

 

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I'm in agreement to a point- I still think that Kessler is the man to beat at 168, though I'll reserve judgment for his next fight. It's important to see how much the Calzaghe fight took out of him.

Froch seems to me to be in the Mundine/Andrade/Beyer/Taylor/Dawson/Miranda class. B level at the minute but looking for the chance to step up and have a crack. And the boy has a punch, there is no doubt.

I would have liked to see him up against Inkin, because that would have been a step up for him, instead of the patsy he fought tonight. It's hard to gauge where he is at, but with that right hand, he has a decent equalizer.

One to watch a bit closer, perhaps?

MTF

 

Looking at some clips of Froch on youtube....he will be a victim of a brutal ko...similar to Vic Darchinyan....

 

It's possible. The fucker can punch but his technique is, err, unorthodox? :dunno:

168 is not the greatest division right now, though? It aint as if there is some BEAST out there waiting to brutalize him, is there?

Mister REED, did you get a chance to have a look? What did you think?

MTF

 

It was mentioned before about Darchinyan. Thats kind of what I was talking about when I talked about Froch finally losing. His ilk go down pretty bad and are always written off as 'trash' right afterwards. It's how they come back that defines them.

Froch (like Darchinyan) is a good fighter, but needs to be tested further to see how good.

 

REED's Checking Out the Cavaliers-Celtics NBA Playoff Game Right Now, but he Tivo'ed the Showtime Fight Card...

REED'll Give his Assessment of Froch After Checking him Out...REED Hasn't Seen the Bradley-Witter Fight as of Yet for the Same Reason...


REED:cheer:

 

Tam, this is actually quite complimentary for you... ::

I take it you rate Froch, then? I agree that he is really untried (the Inkin would have been a good pointer IMO. Inkin is a durable little MoFo), but he is now the WBC No1 contender.

Presuming Calzaghe vacates, it'll be Froch v A.N Other. Probably Kessler. How do you see that one going?

 

Well, I try and watch as much boxing as I can and I've been watching Froch for years and I've liked something about him since day one. As he's come along, I've found I've liked him more and more, as there is a little bit of Hamed in him and a little bit of Calzaghe. Hopefully more Joe, than Naz...but the kid can certainly punch and isn't afraid to get hit. I like that.

I think I watched his fight with (low sugar right now, so a bit silly) that Irish chinny dude a bunch of times. Great finishing KO.

I like Kessler to win that fight based on what we know, but like I said, we don't know a whole lot about Froch and its posible the best remains hidden at this time. He does have a little bit of Joe in him...and we saw what happened to Kessler that night. One has to assume MIkkel has learned a great deal from that fight though.

 

The thing is, that fight is likely to happen sooner rather than later. Techincally, Froch is now Joe's mandatory, but as the ITV broadcast showed tonight, that fight aint happening, ever.

(If anyone didn't see it, ITV gave Froch Joe's mobile number and he rang Joe and said 'any chance of you and me getting it on in the ring?' Joe rambled about money and basically said 'Fuck off' ::)

That likely means that Frioch's next fight is either a fight v Kessler or a fight in preparation to fight Kessler. I'm a Froch fan, but I can't pick him to beat Kessler either, for the reason's you gave and I have said elsewhere- he's pretty much unproven at a high level. Every time he's due to step up and fight a 'B level' fighter, the fucker pulls out. :shit:

I'd pick Kessler but I think Froch hits harder than Joe. If Froch landed, he might just have that equaliser IMO. But it's hard to tell- he could be shit or he could be shit hot. I'd love to see Andrade or Mudine dragged to the UK for decent money to give Froch a real test...

MTF

 

I'm pretty sure Froch hits harder than Calzaghe, but I dunno if Karl is quick enough or has the ability to adapt like Joe did. Kessler was handling the Calzaghe that came into the ring that night, until Joe changed up and turned to plan B. You need a fucking good plan A to beat Kessler, because his style is a really good foil to someone who helicopters a bit like Froch.

Froch is gonna need that second and third gear, like Calzaghe has shown to get the job done. I don't believe you can just wade in against Kessler and beat him. He's very, very profficient at taking that kind of fighter apart and barely being touched while doing it.

 

I thinks he's quick enough but, on what we've seen, he's a bit too limited. I mean, IMO Andrade hits a hell of a lot harder than Kessler, but Mikkel's excellent fundamenatls were far too good for Librade to land much.

Agreed on the Joe fight. I had Joe two points down at halfway, and through the fourth I thought he was another uppercut from being stopped, but his abilty to adapt is what makes him such a special fighter. There has been nothing to suggest that Carl can do that, BUT, he's never had to. His speed and power have been enough thus far.

That said, there's a bit to suggest that Kessler has had a bit taken AWAY from his after the Calz fight. He seemed very down afterwards, and he has been in no great hurry to get back in and clean up what many believed to be his domain after Joe steped out.

I'd pick Kessler to win, but I'd put my money on Froch, because you'd get odds which were well out of proprotion to his chances. Again, I'd love to see him fight a Mundine/Andrade/Miranda type. I'd fancy him to beat any of those guys. You?

 

Mudine is a far different proposition from the other two. ANdrade and Miranda are simple fish. They get you if they can. You get them, if you can. Mundine on the other hand is fast as hell and has great movement. It remains to be seen what kind of fighter he is post-injury, but the Mundine that beat Green beats Froch comfortably, IMO.

Mundine is gonna be a 160 pounder though.

 

I listed them together because, especially Mundine and Andrade, they are the big fish below Kessler in the 168 pond. A lot of people on these boards wank over Andrande, especially, but I think Froch would out power him over twelve, I really do. I include Miranda because he is a 'name' and he is supposed to hit hard, but again, I think Carl outguns him.

Mundine is different, agreed. He probably took more rounds off Mikkel than anyone else combined until Joe fought him. Obviuosly, I rate him, but although he is planning to shift down he could be persuaded to Nottingham to fight at 168 for the right price? Although he is fast I can't see him stopping Carl unless he really is tapping a chin yet to be tested. And I still think that Froch can adapt- he might well be fighting to the level of his opposition to date IMO. I think Froch might be a 'guns blazing' fighter against the kind of shit he's fought so far, because that's all he's needed. Again, that's why I wanted to see him fight Inkin, bcause he was a higher level than anything Carl has fought to date. We might have seen something else.

Even against Mundine, I think that right hand might be an equaliser. I suppose if I had to bet my mortgage, I'd pick Mundine, but I'd still think Froch can catch and hurt him.

 

:eeeek: Is he ever,..his straight combinations are deadly, extremely quick and accurate, and he retains the speed on his first shot through to his 9th consecutively within one flurry, when Calzaghe tried to trade with Kessler down the middle, he was blown out of the water in an instant and sent reeling into the ropes, then once Kessler incorperated the uppercut, I thought he had Joe fucked :crafty: !!, "Joe wont try to come in on the inside anymore, so he'll have to stay in Kessler's best range!":clap: ,...

a pity Calzaghe lifted into another dimension and boxed at a masters level that I've never seen from him before, head movement, footwork, timing, selective attacks to the body and head, and ofcourse his ever great stamina and workrate,.. left me rather pissed off to be honest .

As for the thread, If Kessler gets an oppurtunity against Froch, I think it will be a brutal, career ending beatdown for 'the cobra', the nickname only appropriate because he blocks punches like he's got no arms, I saw Froch's fight against Robin Reid and was utterly disgusted,.. Robin hurt him and backed him the fuck up with wild looping shots you could see coming miles away ,..:doh: my god Froch fucken sux, Im not impressed at all,.. if I were him Id stick to 'timing' an opponent, because his boxing on the front foot is fucken attrocious, he's slow, and his power and chin are also rather overrated from the evidence I saw.

 

Goddamn, seeing Calslappy fight at that level must have hurt, huh Kauki? The big, strapping Danish left punching fresh air as those uppercuts hit fuck all bar air as the fight drew to it's horrific conclusion? ::

 

I was a bit gutted that Kessler lost,.. but what irritated me the most was probably the fact that Calzaghe wasted away his career fighting down to shit opposition, it's what gave everyone the impression that he was just a sitting duck waiting to be exposed by Lacy. He's a wasted talent, and woefully inconsistant.

 

Im not impressed by Froch at all. He is extremely slow, and very predictable. Seems pretty hittable as well. He better hope he doesn't fight Calz. Joe will take his ass to school worse than Lacy.

 

Yes :bears:

 

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Are you off your nut feebs? He is slow. His reactions aren't particularly quick, his feet are slow, his handspeed is average, and his punches telegraphed.

Where is this speed your speak of? His eyes move fast?

 

Incidentally I think Andrade is a very good fighter. In fact, Kessler's best win.

I'd pick him to batter the absolutely shit out of Froch.

I'd pick Miranda too, but less confidently.

 

no chance dude.

i reckon froch would stop him pretty handily.

and i agree that froch is just ok.

 

It wouldn't surprise me that much if Froch beat Miranda, he is the only top 168 pounder he has a chance against.

But Frank - who the fuck has Frock beaten to think Eddy has no chance?

I don't get this at all, froch has beaten NO-ONE, he is not proven AT ALL.

And yet a guy who arguably beat Arab-ham, one of the reigning middleweight champs, has no chance?

Frock is not Pavlik.

 

He's fast, like David Haye is fast.

 

i'm kind of chancing it a bit.

it all comes down to whether he has a chin or not? if he can take mirandas punches (that is a mystery?) then he'll stop him.

miranda is a moved up middle and i think froch is a huge super middle, who can punch some.

i think he's just too big.

 

Haye is no speed demon, but he is quicker than frock, and he's a fucking cruiser-cum-heavy.

 

You think he is that big for a supermiddle?

He doesn't look huge to me. 6'1, but not massively built. I bet Hopkins would look bigger than him in the ring, and he is a career middleweight.

By the way - is it just me or did Barry used to be OK, and now he is just a fucking tool?

He comes out with some right shit, and he thinks Frock is the best 168 pounder in the world, even though he has beaten absolutely nobody, and is a farmer.

I am no fan of the danish pastry at all, but barry's statements were plain ignorant, and an insult to kessler.

By the way, that John Murray is such a can ::

I can't believe he is meant to be a prospect. I thought that little arab beat him clearly.

 

Haye isn't fast. He just has what is traditionally a fast mans style. Like Froch.

 

i don't think froch is that good at all to be honest, i'm very undecided on him.

like i said someone needs to test his chin good.

i do think he is a big supermiddle. and he's got those long arms that generate big punches. i think he's kind of a natural puncher like pavlik is.

my reasoning for miranda is tha i don't rate eddison at all to b honest. he's half decent, but so is abraham.

 

I know he isn't fast. Well, his right hand has decent velocity and he pulls the trigger on it, quick, but overall he is not fast no.

However, his speed of reacting to an opening, and the actual velocity of his right hand is greater than frock's.

I am surprised you rate frock actually Tam, I didn't think you would.

I thought you liked fighters with more sound fundamentals, like kessler, and also he is so unproven.