dsimon writes: Ok this is going to come to roost sooner or later so I want to broach it in a thread... though Tam has brought it up on several threads. If Margarito is the man with the hands of plaster what does that do if Mosley has taken substances to chemically enhance? are they equal offenses? Yes no? I think this issue has to be unpacked before people start addressing it thats my feeling. So here are my thoughts on the issue. 1) Steriods are an indirect affect of performance in that they are designed to enhance overall performance. This means make the athlete better in every respect including acts that include voilence and harm to the opponent... what is important here is that steriods are not taken directly to cause harm, they may result in the athlete in doing better hurting his opponent. 2) By comparison when a boxer wraps the hands with something prohibitively hard this serves no purpose except to damage the other guy... plaster wraps do not help recovery rate, or defensive manuveurs... they make punches harder and cause harm to the other guy...period. I think this first distinction is important, it is two different levels of intent and action on the athlete's part. One thing is designed to help the athlete do better which MAY involve damage to the other guy in being used the other thing only functions to damage the other guy. By Analogy if I am going out to a bar and I intend to defned myself and carry a stick, it is a lesser lethal application than if I decide on a knife. I may under the circumstances be entitled to leniency if I harm with a stick under these circumstances and not so if I harm with a knife... it depends but the point here is that one application is more deadly than the other and I, as the weapon carrying party know this before I choose to carry the weapon. So a boxer who knows that if he takes steriods may harm another indrectly is less guilty than a boxer who knows wrapping the hands in a hard substance will definitely harm his opponent imo. This is my opinion. Basically they are two distinct levels of offense ad should be judged accordingly. Specifically Margarito should be made aware that his actions are a premeditated attempt to harm his opponent in a way that should be punishable more than an athlete who uses a performance enhancer. Sorry for the lenth but I do believe this issue needs some clarifiication.
Sorry, I don't really follow the logic there (articulate though it was). Both things break the rules blatantly to gain an unfair edge. And I do think that training years with illegal stuff improves your punching power more than harder handwraps (roids improve explosiveness and speed, which make the punch not only harder but harder to block too)
exactly, people are trying to play favorite and claim one isnt as bad as another but, bottom line is that it looks like both are/were cheaters
Can't deny one thing though, Floyd ducked Margie for years and all the while, thinks beating Baldomir, Judah, shot Oscar cemented his legacy. What's funnier is, he couldn't STOP any of them.::
The same Hatton who got a gift, not to mention put on his ass, by Collazo in his only other fight at 147? F*ck Hatton! He's a joke, he had no business going up to fight at that weight. Some career defining fight! ::
dsimon writes: Its not only the rules it is the issue of danger and the morality of subjecting somoene to a situation that is more blatant than another. In this case maskign the hands in cement is like carrying a weapon in the ring because it serves one specific purpose.
