Suicide Squad Breaks Records; Nine Lives bombs

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    WB/DC Suicide Squad easily took the top spot at the box office with a record breaking $135.1 million, shattering the previous August record held by 'Guardians of the Galaxy' with $94.5 million in 2014. 'Squad' also had the best August opening day ever with $65 million (adding the $20 million from the Thursday night preview). The audience was 54% male, 46% female with more than half under the age of 25. Also 76% of the audience was age 35 or younger. Combining the international market grosses of $132 million, Suicide Squat has a current $267 million worldwide grosses...or $3 million more than what 'Deadpool' grossed back in February. Now the all important question is how much will it drop next weekend. 'Batman v Superman' had a $166 million opening only to see its revenues drop a disastrous 69% the following weekend. Since most of the crowd that the film marketing was aiming to its campaign already watched it, it is now worth of mouth what might keep it afloat or kill it. I will not be surprised it is follows the same "BvS:DOJ" pattern and it might or might not finish its run around or under $300 million domestically.
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    In the second spot with $22.7 million and having an unforeseen 61.6% drop in its second weekend, Jason Bourne was definitely hurt by the DC movie. The Matt Damon actioner was sandwiched between 'Star Trek Beyond', 'Suicide Squad' and next week's 'Pete's Dragon'. This film would have benefitted from a fall debut with less competition. Still it has grossed so far $103.4 million domestically and $91 million internationally. It will show some profit, but no better than the much maligned 'The Bourne Legacy' with Jeremy Renner.

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    Holding firmly in the third spot Bad Mom continues pleasing mostly female crowds with $14.2 million for a 10 days total of $51 million, which is plain great for the $20 million budgeted film.
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    Also holding firmly on the same spot from last week is The Secret Life of Pets which added $11.5 million to its money vault for a domestic total of $319.6 million. The popular animated film crossed the magic $500 million mark this weekend.Since the movie had only a $75 million budget, this numbers puts it among the top ten most successful animated movies ever.

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    Continuing its earth crashing free-falling is Paramount's Star Trek Beyond which had yet another 59% drop this week after a similar drop last week. The scifi film took just $10.2 million for a three weeks total of $127.9 million domestically. On the foreign front is doing much worst with just $66.5 million total so far. Like I have mentioned before, if next month China numbers doesn't pull 'Terminator Genysis' like performance, we might have witnessed the last film of this franchise...at least with this cast and this budget.

    Last but not least, the only sole film to debut against 'Suicide Squad' just proved how suicidal that move was: Kevin Spacey's Nine Lives lost all its 9 lives at the tune of $6.7 million, just reaffirming the idea that big budget comicbook productions are better left to have a solo debut and not always 'counterprograming' works if your movie plain sucks.
     
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    I am going to watch Suicide Squad, just to poss off Disney and Marvel.
     
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    Go ahead. Toss away your money.
     
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    Oh oh! Reports indicate that even though Suicide Squad did great this weekend (nevermind that the studio was expecting a $145-$160 million opening), on Saturday it had a massive 41% drop which is kind of unusual for a blockbuster. If this also happened on Sunday, then we have a decline pattern due to poor word of mouth. I'll keep you posted on updates.

    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/box-office-analysis-whats-behind-suicide-squads-huge-201906451.html

    On related news, Mexico's biggest movie chain dropped screenings of 'Suicide Squad' as they and distributor, Universal Pictures Mexico, couldn't reach an agreement. This certainly will hurt box office business for the film in that country, the biggest & most profitable Latin American market for superhero flicks.

    'Suicide Squad' opened in third place in Korea, just behind 'The Last Princess' (#1) and the box office champ in Asia, the zombie action thriller 'Train to Busan' (#2).

    China will not play 'Suicide Squad' due to that country's ban on supernatural films and this film has plenty of that. So the DC film just lost the second biggest movie market in the world.
     
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    Friday: $65 million
    Saturday: $38 million
    Sunday: $31 million

    Not as bad a drop-off as Batman v Superman, but still par for DC.
     
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    I thought suicide squad was a movie about Robin Williams, Freddie Prince, Kurt Cobain, Junior Seau, and Edwin Valero banding together to fight crime.
     
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    They prefer true to life docudramas like 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' and 'House of Flying Daggers".
     
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    Panschy can big-up the Land of Chop-Suey all he likes when it comes to dollar-gross, but when it comes to movies-as-art-form....they ain´t fuckin´ shit.
    At all.

    Evah.
     
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    It was ok. Nothing great. Kind of all over the place.

    Someone other than Smith should have played Deadshot.

    The best scenes were the back shots of Margot Robbie in those short shorts.
     
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    Our franchise is in crisis!!!

    It has been reported that Suicide Squad had a massive 79% drop on Friday which is one of the worst second Friday's drops for a film that opened above $130 million. In fact the DC film came SECOND to Sausage Party the raunchy R-rated film that many were predicting will be debuting in the third place behind 'Suicide Squad' & 'Pete's Dragon'. The animated film took $13.5 million on Friday while the comicbook villains took $13 million. If the WB film doesn't improve its numbers dramatically tonight (Saturday) and tomorrow (Sunday), we will be witnessing another franchise in crisis. Even the most pessimistic's were putting this weekend's grosses with 'Suicide Squad' earning just $50 million. Now it looks like it will be between $40-$44 million with the phallic sausages close behind. You cannot build a franchise with these kind of huge drops. Ask Paramount and 'Star Trek' producers...
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    Well fuck them. If Anthony is right and they need 800 million just to break even, which I think is comical with a budget even of 250-300, they deserve to get down. You can't bank on this shit to become a mega blockbuster...
     
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    Don't forget they had to do re shoots on this movie and advertisements were insane.
     
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    Suicide Squad was fun. My gf gave me a handjob in one of the slow parts, which made it better.

    It's no wonder movies are breaking sales records all the time. It was $19.95 per ticket for this one. Fuck. I didn't know movies were that expensive now.
     
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    They spent more on adverts than on the movie itself?
     
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    [h=1]Inside story explains how Warner ruined ‘Suicide Squad’[/h]
    Suicide Squad was one of the top five highly anticipated movies of the year. A story from the DC Comic universe that focuses on the villains we love. Rather than seeing Batman, Superman, and all the other heroes deliver justice, we get a story about bad people, doing atrocious things, all in the name of good. The movie looked very promising from the start. It had a great cast, exciting trailers, and glorious soundtrack. But come early reviews day, it turns out people aren’t thrilled with the picture – not that reviewers can accurately predict box office success.
    However, an inside story looking at the behind-the-scenes drama explains how Warner ruined Suicide Squad.
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    According to The Hollywood Reporter, it all started with Batman v. Superman, a movie that “tanked” when it comes to reviews, but made a serious boatload of money ($873 million worldwide). However, Warner execs were angered by the tepid response and worried about destroying the value of the DC Comics brand from the start, as more movies are planned in the franchise.
    "[Warner chief Kevin Tsujihara] was really pissed about damage to the brand," following Batman v. Superman.
    And that’s how Warner started pushing director David Ayer to deliver the movie that was promised to the fans. Moreover, before settling on a final cut, Warner in May tested an Ayer version against a second cut to see what the audience liked. "If there are multiple opinions that aren't in sync, you go down multiple tracks — two tracks at least," an insider said. "That was the case here for a period of time, always trying to get to a place where you have consensus."
    Finally, the studio favored a version that had more characters introduced early in the film and “jazzed-up graphics” beat Ayer’s “more somber” version. However, that meant that millions of dollars had to be spent on additional photography to get the movie where Warner wanted it.
    Even so, the studio and Ayer presented the film as a joint success. "This was an amazing experience,” Warner production president Greg Silverman told the Reporter. “We did a lot of experimentation and collaboration along the way. But we are both very proud of the result. This is a David Ayer film, and Warners is proud to present it."
    However, this wasn't a great experience for the people involved in making the movie. There was "a lot of panic and ego instead of calmly addressing the tonal issue," sources said.
    Warner spent at least $175 million to make the movie, and it desperately wanted a hit; not just positive reviews, but a financial success. "The movie's got to do $750 million, $800 million to break even. If they get anywhere close to that, they'll consider it a win,” an unnamed veteran told the site, saying it’s about survival.
    Read the full inside story about making Suicide Squad at this link. Meanwhile, the movie launches in theaters on August 5th.
     
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    :dunno:

    calling bullshit on the numbers. I don't believe for a second they spend 500-600 mills on advertising...
     
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    Not sure you are quite understanding what one movie can do to a studio. It's not about advertisements. It's about reshoots, hiring more behind the scenes people, specifically editors, testing the film many times with different audiences, investing time and energy for this movie, and pulling resources from others. WB put about as much time and money into this movie as they would in probably two movies. That is why it needs so much in order to even break even.

    Its not all about the figures you can see. In Hollywood, it's the shit you don't see that cost all the money.
     
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    Reshoots do not count as budget costs? I thought budget is what it costs to make the movie. Plus advertising. I don't think the test screening will cost that much money... they will do that with interested folk for free probably.
     
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    Not all the time. The movie has an approved budget. Usually reshoots means you are over budget. Then what the studio spends on editing those reshoots cost big money. Time and energy put into a film that has so much on the line for a studio. Again, I can't make it more clear. It's not just advertising and budgets. It's time. They spent a shit load of time on this film. In Hollywood, time is money. And stuff like this causes future individual movies like flash and cyborg to now be combined into one movie.
     
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    They shoot TWO different versions of the film and screened both separately. The reshoots started just after the fiasco of 'Batman v Superman' in March when WB honchos went in panic mode and saw more of the same in 'Suicide Squad'. They ordered reshoots to the already in the can $175 million film, so we are talking about an undisclosed amount of money tossed to the reshoots. The marketing for this film has been crazy. You cannot escape from it, which means we are talking of AT LEAST another $100+ million. When the smoke cleared we are talking about an over $400 million investment. To recoup its investment it needs to double that amount: $800 million just to break even. Anything less than that is on the red tape loss numbers.
     
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    The movie making business is getting ridiculous. Rather than trusting the director to tell the best story, the studios are getting involved and doing research to find out the most profitable angle the film should take and then micromanage the films story and direction. This has already skewed the stories of Fantastic Four, BVSM, Rogue One, and now Suicide Squad just to name a few. I can imagine there will be many more to follow.
     
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    Preliminary weekend estimates are in and Suicide Squad managed to remain at the top with a rather anemic $43.7 million or 67.3% drop, very close to the 69% drop of 'Batman vSuperman' suffered in its second week. The WB/DC film has now a current domestic total of $222.8 million and a global total of $465,3 million...or a little bit more than what 'BvS:DOJ' grossed worldwide its first three days.

    Sausage Party ate a big chunk of the DC film goggling an amazing $33.6 million, a lot more than what its studio expected of the R-rated animated comedy which a mere $19 million or $1 million less than Will Smith's salary in 'Suicide Squad'. Underperforming in its debut is Disney's Pete's Dragon which landed in the third spot with a disappointing $21.5 million. While the film got very good reviews with 86% certified fresh the family friendly film got hurt by opening on the first back to school weekend and competition from the other two top films. IMO it was a dumb idea for Disney to make a live action remake of the 1977 dud which was both a box office & critics stinker. Hardly a classic to remake. But, hey it cost only $65 million and if it can recoup its investment in the foreign market. (while Disney keeps rebooting its library, what about a live-action remake of The Black Cauldron, the animated film that got rave reviews, but flunked at the box office since it scared the hell out of children and parents were furious that Disney delivered such a dark fantasy?).
     
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    I don't understand how it needs to make double it's investment to get outside the red... Is that the time Anthony is talking about? I knew time is money but not that much money... :lol:
     
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    What are you? 14?
     
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    41. Close enough.
     
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    Bro you are either dumb or trolling. One or the other.
     
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    I've never heard of a film having to double up to break even, to be honest. That's not the tone most of these box office assessment things have. And if it's an "undisclosed" amount for the reshooting then "800 million" is just some made up number.

    If the film cost $200 million then the reshoots couldn't have been more than half of that and I doubt they spent half a billion in advertising.
     
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