The better boxer: George Foreman or Shane Mosley

Who boxed better, Big George or Sugar Shane?

 

You mean by result or technically?

 

Technically

 

Id say mosley, if were talking about young foreman. Old foreman might have been better technically than mosley though

 

I've never really seen either fighter attempt to "out-box" anyone unless you count Foreman fooling around in that five guy exhibition in Toronto after he lost to Ali with the lose ropes

 

Foreman.

A good test is how a man does when his athleticism is gone.

 

It's hard to assess foreman technical skills. He was bigger and stronger than pretty much all of his opponents, so he never really dipped and ducked. His defense was mostly catching punches and the occasional slip.

 

Foreman had better skill.

 

Early George could be cavemannish but could yet find shots like the ones he levelled Frazier with.

Old George wasn't much bigger than ALL his opponents. By 1994 guys had come up to his "original" size of 6-3, 220 there or there abouts.

But he was much SLOWER than the guys he fought in the 1990s.

It is of course debatable how "skilled" a fighter must be when he's losing to Morrison or, essentially, losing to Schulz but he wasn't having his head caved in either.

I think Shane had a thing he called "power boxing" or something. It was basically a sort of speedy slugging.

Shane got hit too, the shots he ate vs Forest were stunning.... I never felt he'd ever get hit like that. But he did.

 

Foreman. Mosley was more athletically gifted obviously, but George had more skills and ring IQ.

 

Athletically gifted ...you mean balco steroids?

 

Don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue.

 

"you're STILL strong, Shane"


Errrmmm......

 

foreman never thought much of mosley

 

Because he had a crush on the man Shane beat twice.

 

Foreman Received More TUTELAGE, Unquestionably...The Mileage He Got Out of His Left Jab Solidifies This ALONE...

Beyond That, the Way Foreman Used His Arms to Literally Shove Opponents in the Name of Creating Distance was EXTREMELY Effective, if Not Legal...Foreman Also Used His Thick, Muscular Arms for CRAB DEFENSE Purposes...

Shane was a Better Athlete in Spades (Mobility, Handspeed, Footspeed, Combination Punching, etc.), But He Seemed to Merely SCRATCH the Service of Boxing Techniques w/Out Fully ABSORBING Himself in Any of Them...Even the Term "Power Boxing" was a Bit VAGUE and LAZY...

Foreman was the Better BOXER for Sure...







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I disagree with the Foreman over Mosley takes and not just because I’m a Mosley fan.

People are criticizing Shane for doing the same thing George did which was fight aggressively and basically brawl. What great boxing technique was George using that Shane didn’t use other than the jab?

Go back and watch Mosley versus David Estrada if you want to see Shane outbox someone. I always felt that was one of Shane’s more underrated performances but most people missed it because they were too focused on how much Shane didn’t look like the aggressive killer “Sugar Shane” of old. The foot work and ring generalship Shane showed in the Estrada fight alone was more than Foreman ever showed. I’m pretty sure this was during the short time when Shane had dumped his father and was working with John David Jackson.

I think Shane was more fundamentally sound than people are giving him credit for. He was clearly not the most sound boxer ever but we’re talking about George Foreman here. Who’s ears did Foreman ever box off?

 

mosley vs. estrada was not meaningful because estrada was not a deserving contender. hardly underrated. it was overrated if anything.

 

And yet Mosley still boxed his ears off. If you can come up with any bums GF boxed the ears off of as opposed to him beating them to a pulp with aggressive offense I’m all eyes.

 

Wow. I was at the mosley Estrada fight. It was outside at Caesars palace. It wasn't particularly memorable or impressive. Never heard anyone reference it as one of his finer performances. I do agree he did better with Jackson as in his corner. Jackson did a lot of work with him prior to the first delahoya fight.

 

Jackson is that dork with the pony tail? I think I remember when he dropped Jack and got another trainer. He started lifting weights bulking up and fell in love with his power. That power boxing crap ruined Mosley imo.

 

I think it's interesting that Mosley's advantages in speed, stamina and to a lesser extent, chin, are Foreman's biggest weaknesses.

 

That "dork with the pony tail" was a two division world champion...

 

Not Only THAT, "Power Boxing" was a Jack Mosley Term, Yet the Same Person Mocking JDJ Doesn't Even Realize Dude was Shane's POST-"Power Boxing" Trainer...

Junior Varsity Ass...


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it was right before the Marquez fight that power boxing got mentioned?
I'm not even sure they believed their own bullshit, as it was probably all just to hype up the dlh rematch...smart move after the forest fights, cos now Mosley put on muscle and was stronger and better!

 

I used to record all my fights and I admit my memory is not what it used to be. I stand corrected my apologies to pony tail dude. BTW who was in Mosley's corner for the Vernom Forrest fight? Arguably his worst in his prime performance imo.

 

His dad was his trainer when Forrest whupped him.

 

Jack Mosley gets a bad rep, but he did quite well for Shane, all things considered.

The best Mosley was lightweight Mosley, and at the time Shane was a pretty complete fighter. Was he without flaws? No, but how many fighters are?

It's not like Jack was net negative, like Teo Sr. is.

 

I completely agree with you. He was damn near perfect at LW. Power, speed, chin, heart. @ light weight I think Mosley would've held his own against any atg he was that good. Him moving up two weight classes to beat Dela Hoya was very impressive. No tune up fight.

 

Jack Mosley lucked out in having a freakish genetic outlier as a son, and he did often give Mosley good advice in the corner - the fight against Holiday is still fresh in my mind, where he urged Mosley to work the right hand to the body behind the jab - but he never drilled the proper fundamentals into Mosley. I suppose that's why its a little disconcerting seeing Mosley's crisp offense, coming from an upright guy with average technique, shoddy footwork and almost never having his chin tucked. Jack could also never teach him what most elite fighters were taught.