The new Jermaine Taylor I want to see

dsimon writes:

Dude, go up in weight and fuck the jab.... Learn how to knock people out. Relax a little more on your shots, hit big put on some weight to add to those shots....

Something I realized tonight is that Jermaine isn't a puncher but he could be.

 

Jermain was impressive tonight. He did a very good job on defence. He threw good counters. His problem was stamina.

At 168 there is alot of guys for him to fight. I would like to see him fight Miranda, and Lacy and Manfredo are names that are beatable. Even a fight with J-dawg and Bika would be entertaining. Kessler may be too much right now for Jermain.

 

Yeah become Jeff Lacy... brilliant idea... :doh:

 

at this thread.Disimion wants Taylor to get knocked out ::

 

His problem is always stamina.

 

What's the point? Even if he changes his style, Kauki is gonna pick Taylor again and the poor guy is gonna get demolished.

 

That was a very close fight.

either fighter could have won this fight. One judge, having pavlik win it by 6 rounds, is a stretch.

 

No either fighter couldnt have won. Pavlik won, either 7-5 or 8-4. I had it 8-4 for Pavlik. Even having it a draw would be a stretch. Kelly was the clear winner.

 

i disagree

it was close to a draw.

 

I was thinking the same thing. ::


DSimon, you don't tell any fighter to "fuck the jab". :nono:

 

Oh really? You realized Jermain isn't a monster puncher? But before you thought he was 1 shot KO puncher like Max Baer? :: :tease:

 

dsimon writes:

Where do you get that? :doh: :dunno: Jermaine has hand speed he can punch clean, he is no Jeff Lacy.

 

dsimon writes:

Good to have you back D.:bears:

 

Could you please give us an explanation of why the hell Jermain should abandon his jab?

 

dsimon writes:

Mayweather, Toney, there are a lot of fighters who don't use the jab. Most Mexican fighters lead with a body hook. The jab is great, its not the only way.

 

dsimon writes:

Owwwww you guys!!!!! sometimes!!!! bANG ZOOM!!!! :doh: :: :blobbox:

 

Dsimon writes:

Fair enough.

1) He spends so much time trying to use the jab and he obviously is not comfortable using it. When his corner tells him to the body he has no problem, he can do it, he is comfortable with it. When he throws his shots in flurries he is succesful and comfortable and succesful.

2) Taylor can counter fairly well.... Instead of jab to set up, let the guy come in and counter. For example, Toney sets up and counters with a cross usually. Its what he did to Rahman. Countering lets you bring the guy in so you can get your shots off. The jab is only one way to set up your shots and when you aren't comfortable using it you won't throw your shots off of it. Jermaine has a tendency, even when he uses the jab, not to follow up with his shots. I think this is because he is not comfortable using it.

3) I think if Taylor relaxes more his stamina and his power will increase. Using an approach inthe ring that is natural to him will incrase his comfort level. Taylor's hand speed is excellent and his punches are straight. He is also strong. I would have him set his shots up off the hook, or off the counter ( he has a good chin). If he develops his power he can throw less punches and help his stamina as well.

 

You have those double L'ish moments from time to time Dsimon... a bit scary... :nono:

 

dsimon writes:

How so? There are fighters that don't use a jab much yes?

Have you ever seen Taylor launch a succesful attack off a jab? I doubt it.

And here is the kicker: Why does a guy who punches as well as Taylor have so few KO's? We know that Hopkins fought Taylor being very wary of his power, we know that Taylor knocked down Pavlik... Taylor can punch, he has the potential to do more with his punching if he is relaxed enough and can get his punches off.

Did Julio Ceasar Chavez use a jab? Does his son? Does Mayweather use the jab? Does Judah use a jab that much?

I think that Toney would be the guy for Taylor to watch. Toney uses distance and counterpunching to get somoene over committed and then he counters them with a cross. It is how he embarrased Rahman and Peter the first time.

Jermaine countered Pavlik well a few times tonight ane was able to flurry off of the counters.

PS Compare my prediction record to Double L's BTW. Including this fight which I called.

 

I agree that Taylor was overutilizing the jab tonight

 

I'd like to see Taylor abandon the jab, the right hand, the hooks...

just go out there and stick his chin out and get KTFO

 

:: :bears:

 

Now I've heard it all :doh:

 

A few points. First off, Taylor cant fight the way Toney does. James was a master of the shoulder roll and would make guys miss with it then counter with a short right hand, or uppercut. Taylor doesnt have, nor will he EVER have Toney's defensive skill, or countering ability. And further more if you watch Toney in his prime, James actually had quite an UNDERRATED jab.

Second of all you are correct that Taylor has fast hands, and is strong, however his punches are FAR from straight. I dunno where you got that from, but Taylor will always be a looping, inaccurate puncher. He should NOT abandon his jab though, his jab has always been his best punch. Of course its not the best of jabs, its always been overrated, but its still a good jab and Taylor can use it as an effective weapon to beat alot of guys.

Leading with hooks, and waiting to counter would be RETARDED for Taylor to do. If he just jumps in with hooks all the type he'll undoubtably get countered, and hurt alot. He's not Roy, he's not talented enough to lead with hooks from the outside. Nor should just wait to counter. If Taylor just goes out there w/o jabbing at all he could get eaten up by a guy like Miranda, or even Mundine. But jabbing gives him an advantage over those guys.

Your idea is very flawed. Taylor NEEDS his jab.

 

Taylor's punches really are far from straight, he can't throw a straight punch to save his life. His punches are odd, they are rarely hooks, but not really straight either. They are looping, and yet not long, sort of mid range looping punches ::

Taylor's reactions and defense etc are simply not good enough to be the sort of fighter that could do away with a jab, he's the sort of fighter that needs a jab.

 

dsimon writes:

:: :: :bears:. Mexi, Lok, Royness??? Don't make me make you hurt me!! :blobbox: ::

 

dsimon writes:

What good is a great jab if you can't use it? :dunno: Taylor can throw a jab now and then but he can't set up his shots off of it. I remember when I was fighting Karate, This teacher (not my teacher who knew better apparently) told me I should throw more reverse punches. Every time I threw that punch I felt vulnerable and could never throw it comfortably... I kept trying to spar with it and I just couldn't. In mycase I wanted to lead with a round kick or a backfist... thats the way my mind worked. I remember literally at one point throwing my hands up beating on the ground and practically crying cause I couldn't throw that technique.

I am not comparing Taylor to Toney I am talking about styles of fighting... and indeed Toney does have a good jab when he uses it, Toney was so technically accomplished that he could do anything he wanted in the ring. And I am not talking about leaping in with a hook like Roy or check hooking :: !!! I am talking about using the Mexican strategy of variating the pace of punches thrown and leading in with a body attack. Taylor did it several times in this fight and was succesful to the body. I could see him learning to bring it upstairs from that attack.

I think Taylor punches pretty straight on his cross. No he is not Mayweather straight:: but he gets there with good form.

I just think that the way Taylor's head works he can't use the jab the way everyone wants him to and he needs to relax more in the ring so he gets just a little more power on his shots. I think he could KO people if he did this.

 

dsimoln writes:

The way that Mexican guys deal with this is to change the speed on the body shots. It confuses the guy enough so that they close the distance and get in. If you watch Taylor slow mo his punches are straighter than they look when we see the television angle in regular time. He actually has pretty good form on his cross.

 

Taylor is just one of the fighters that comes along that I don't like for whatever reason.. maybe lack of charisma? not sure..

 

dsimon writes:

I never liked him either. Mostly because of all those gift decisions. I feel like it was incredibly unfair to Benard to give that first fight to Taylor. Dude is strong as an ox ::. I would like to see him take out Left Hook Lacy! ::