Torres vs. Holt - Round 11

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bBg_Es79Ylg

opcorn:

 

Holt was really pulling a Mayweather in round 11.
Thing is he was out of gas and couldn't keep running.

 

i'm a big torres fan but that was definitely a premature stoppage-almost Warrenesque. Holt should lobby for a rematch on U.S. tv. nontheless, Holt continues to be a little stinky for my taste.

 

I thought it was a weak stoppage, but Holt did nothing - before OR after the knockdown - to suggest he was any longer interested in fighting back. Either he was hurt more than he let on, or he's just that fuckin' stupid. Fighters bitch all of the time about the horrors of fighting on the road, then almost seemingly go out of their way to ensure that they wind up in a situation they can deem as controversial, rather than actually do something about it.

If I'm Holt (or his people), I either STFU about what happened, or start lobbying for youtube to take down any current videos and prohibit them from posting any new ones. Because the more clips that come out, the less credibility remains in his side of the story. So far, I haven't seen anything he said that actually happened.

 

That looked pretty quick to me. Too bad Holt put himself in that position in the first place.

 

I agree that was too quick!

 

a bit quick...but Holt wasn't doing shit..but bending over...trying to grab Torres legs...

 

stoppage was as bad or worse than manfredo/slap stoppage, imo.

 

Terrible stoppage, even worse and more incompetent than Marquez-Vasquez 2.
That referee should never be allowed to officiate a word championship match again, he should be fined and suspended.
Once again we see another case of a referee that plays dramatics to the tv cameras and the crowd hoping he can be another Richard Steele via the dramatic arms waving, the cradling of the fighter, etc.
Disgusting.
BTW: I saw ONE jab out of Torres in that round, and that was the one that set up the hook which floored Holt.

 

It was early yes, but as stated before, he wasn't throwing or showing anything, so I've seen worse stoppages.

 

no...

Holt was actually hurt and looking to survive.....while Manfredo wasn't being hit with anything clean from Calslappys arm punches...

 

It's a very rare occurence but for once I've read something that I totally agree with in the comments section of youtube :

He just seemed to suddenly regain energy a split second before the ref decided to stop the fight. I think he deserves a rematch considering he pretty much dominated Torres before the stoppage. He's a stinker though, fast, skillfull but it's rather obvious that he knows his chin isn't the best in the business.

 

watch the full fight
http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?p=473815#post473815

 

That shit is enough to get a real fight fan upset.
That stoppage was wrong, Carlos.

 

You must do something about that Carlos.

 

dsimon writes:

Yeah but that weak stoppage is pretty obvious. You don't stop a fight when the other guy could continue fighting. Holt might garnure a little more sympathy than you think Jake!::

But I agree with the rest of your take. I mean you can't just run like that.

 

dsimon writes:

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Yeah, well that envious fag is on my ignore list, so this is the first chance I have seen one of her posts here simon, since you quoted her.
That was a bad stoppage, bottom line.

 

The way I've summarized the stoppage - and the ref - is that a ref more in control of the action, and less concerned with the surroundings, would've allowed the sequence to play itself out.

In this situation, a scared ref saw a fighter, who'd been down earlier in the round, bent down at the waist and not throwing punches back. The only punch he threw came as Rodriguez stopped the fight - that's instinct, not strategy. Holt threw only because there was no more incoming.

It was a weak stoppage, but one where it seemed obvious that Rodriguez was looking for a reason to pull the plug, and Holt gave him one.

Like I said earlier, Holt is best served to keep his mouth shut, especially now that the video of the entire fight is available.

 

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That's a honnor!

 

That is a good analysis.
But Jake, don't you think that the possibility exists that referee Rodriguez
saw an opportunity to catapult himself in the tv limelight and resorted to dramatics for his own personal aggrandizement?

 

dsimon writes:

Yes it was and it is frustrating to see a good match marred by that type of ref grandstanding.

 

Good analysis, bro.:bears:

 

dsimon writes:

Your point about Holt enabling certain events is a good one Jake. But what he enabled IMO would have been a decision for Torres because he was backing off way too much.... not a premature stoppage.

backing off is a strategy and Holt was moving and responding to Torres by backing off of him. The key word is responding. There was one effective punch thrown in that sequence where the fight was stopped... I am with you on Holt utilizing a piss poor strategy but that was still really bad stoppage.

 

That wasn't what I was talking about, though. His circling/running around the ring for the first half of the round was the strategy to which you refer. His reaction after getting knocked down is what set off the chain of events that led to the questionable stoppage.

Once he stopped running, he was seemingly defenseless. The fight ended with his being slouched over, bending into Torres, though Ricardo really didn't landing anything all that effective. But Rodriguez' alibi, if questioned about the stoppage by the WBO (which he will be), will be Holt's body language, at which point it becomes a judgment call. Rarely do fights get reversed based on questionable judgment calls.

Karl, I agree with you 100% on Geno's grandstanding. He's done it before, though I wish I could remember the specific fight where it occured. I never liked him as a ref and am with you in not being terribly upset if he was never again permitted to officiate a prize fight. Though that said, it wouldn't shock me to see him resurface next month on the Diaz-Diaz card, if not in the main event itself.

 

Are you equating Marquez-Vazquez II to this or anywhere close?

They're worlds apart...you can say Marq-Vaz II was quick, but Raffy was staggering along the ropes and getting nailed clean.

Don't see how this comparison makes a point for Torres-Holt being a terrible stoppage.

:dunno:

 

Apparently you missed quite bit from here last month, Donny. ::

 

Ah, I see. ::

Was there all sorts of uproar because of the stoppage....or was it confined to a few select individuals?

 

I'll give you a hint : those who think it was a bad stoppage have me on ignore and refer me as "her" "envious" or "fag".

 

Fuck off, Gladys.