Name the two biggest punchers in every divisions history, I'm only doing up to 122, someone fill up the lower classes than that. Here: Heavyweight: Shavers and Foreman Cruiser: Marciano(he was more a cruiser), Holy 175: Foster and Spinks 168: Jones, and I guess Benn. 160: G-man & Benn 154: Jackson & Hearns 147: Cuevas & Hearns 140: Tszyu & Pryor 135: Rosario & Duran 130: Arguello & Corrales 126: Hamed & Danny Lopez 122: Gomez & Marquez
Heavy: Shavers and Foreman Cruiser: Bell and Gomez Light Heavy: Foster and Super Middleweight: Nothing division as far as punchers go. Middleweight: Briscoe and Rodrigo Valdez Jr Middleweight: Jackson and Hearns Welter: Hearns and Cuevas Jr Welter: Tszyu and Lightweight: Rosario and Ike Williams Jr Lightweight: Arguello and Saddler Feather: Saddler and Lopez Jr Feather: Gomez and Morales Bantam: Zamora and Zarate Jr Bantam: Moon and Konadu Fly: Wilde and Lopez
Hard to say. He never really stopped anyone I rate there. But he was a puncher...I just struggle to call him an all-time kind of banger is all.
I wouldnt call him an all time puncher either, but he's definitely the best puncher that division has seen, thats all I'm sayin. You might be right about Valdez at 160, that left hook he stretched Briscoe with was awesome.
Also, Roy was on his way to brutally stopping Sosa had they not stopped it so early. Sosa wasnt a great fighter, but he DID have a great chin. Roy hurt him with every punch he threw.
That was a sick KO. One of my favourites of all-time and NOBODY else did anything close to that with Briscoe, because he was as tough as they come. Valdez absolutely drilled him. Don't forget he sat down Monzon with a single shot as well and runed a number of decent middleweights in his day. As for Jones v Sosa...well, you're right and Sosa was a tough guy. But that was a light heavyweight fight.
Current: Heavyweight: Wlad & Peter Cruiserweight: Belle & Mormeck Light Heavyweight: Tarver & Adamek Super Middleweight: Kessler & Calzaghe Middleweight: Pavlik & Miranda Junior Middleweight: ? Welterweight: Cintron & Judah Junior Welterweight: Harris & Torres Lightweight: Junior Lightweight: Pacquiao & Featherweight: Junior Featherweight: Marquez & Vazquez Bantamweight:
Nice topic. Slyesque. Heavyweight: Shavers and Foreman Cruiser: Holy, Bell 175: Foster and Spinks 168: Jones, Lacy 160: G-man & Jackson 154: Jackson & Hearns 147: Trinidad & Hearns 140: Tszyu & Pryor 135: De La Hoya & Duran 130: Arguello & Corrales 126: Hamed & Pacquaio 122: Gomez & Marquez
HEAVYWEIGHT Foreman/Marciano Cruiser Evander/Jirov Light-Heavy Foster/Moorer Super-Middle Benn/Jones Middle Ketchel/Zale Light-Middle Hearns/Jackson Welter Trinidad/Robinson Light-Welter Tszyu/Pryor Lightweight Lou Ambers/Duran Super-Feather Chico Corralles/ Arturo Gatti/Manny Pac Feather Sandy Saddler/Arguello Super-Bantam Tim Austin/Naseem Hamed Bantam Ruben Olivares/ Jesus Pimentel Super-Flyweight Danny Romero/Jimmy Wilde
This sounds about right....great list. I'd add Moore to Light HWT as the 2nd choice, though Foster was definitely the man. Not sure about Briscoe...Ceferino Garcia and Florentino Fernandez come to mind, but it's a close call. Right on the money. :bears:
Yeah, Pimentel and Olivares should both be in there, but to me, Zarate and Zamora were even harder punchers (not necessarily by a wide margin). I struggle with Pimentel a bit because of his opposition (WHO he was knocking out). But yeah, he should be mentioned. Peace.
No he shouldn't. This is the top TWO, not top 50. Pimentel fought a bunch of jobbers for the most part and got creamed when that quality of opposition changed. Why don't we run up Valero as well
:: I was going to call DonnyBrook on this too. I can't believe ANYONE would call Pimental one of the TOP 2 punchers at batamweight where there were TONS of harder punchers with a richer resume.
Duran and Briscoe belong on nobodies lists. Heavy: Shavers, Foreman Cruiser: Jirov Lt. Heavy: Foster Supermiddle: Jones Middle: Jackson, Mclellan Superwelter: Hearns, Jackson Welter: Hearns, Cuevas Jr Welter: Tszyu Lightweight: Robinson Jr lightweight: Arguello Feather: Pacquiao, Gomez superbantam: Pacquiao, Gomez
Actually, it was Ortho Crusader....I agree with Zarate and Zamora as stated...and said why I didn't include Pimentel. I was, however, acknowledging that Pimentel should get a mention. Probably should have been clearer about that in my wording but I figured folks would read my original post clearly...and OC's as well. Peace.
My list is based on opposition, KO %, and where they would be fighting today if they weighed in (Hence Fitzsimmons at 168): Heavyweight: George Foreman / Earnie Shavers 190-200: Elmer Ray / Sam Langford 175: Bob Foster / Michael Spinks 168: Roy Jones Jr / Bob Fitzsimmons (mostly under 168 but above 160 during his career) 160: Gerald McClellan / Stanley Ketchell 154: Julian Jackson / Mike McCallum 147: Thomas Hearns / Felix Trinidad 140: Aaron Pryor / Kostya Tszyu 135: Robert Duran / Henry Armstrong 130: Alexis Arguello / Corrales 126: Sandy Saddler / Danny Lopez 122: Manny Pacquiao / Wilfredo Gomez 118: Alfonso Zamora / Ruben Olivares 115: Khaosai Galaxy / Sung-Kil Moon 112: Yuri Arbachakov / Hiroyuki Ebihara 108: Jimmy Wilde / Michael Carbajal 105: Ricardo Lopez / Rosendo Alvarez
Actually no, you said: To which Ashes called you on it. You tried to compare Pimental to Zamora and Zarate. That's a pretty grave error for even a novice. You simply don't know much about boxing to make that comparison. Where's your list by the way?
Like I said, I should have been clearer on my wording. Already said that was an error. That's why at the end of that second post I said they should be "mentioned"....as in if there were a list of hardest punchers beyond the top two. Yet in my FIRST post, I clearly agreed with Ashes' post, and that included Zarate and Zamora. By agreeing that means that would likely be my list or very close to it. And like I said, I told OC why I did NOT include Pimentel. It's simple, really. No need to create a fire where there is none. It's nitpicking. I can go back and edit if it would make things easier for you. Peace.
BAMA, just shut the fuck up for 10 seconds. Its behaviour like yours that has guys like Donny spending their time elsewhere. I mentioned Pimentel, before anyone else did. Period.
I don't give a shit where some random guy spends his time on the internet. You made a shitty point and he agreed with your point. Both of you were wrong. I'm glad you two could find solace in each other's shitty point.
Thats your opinion. Neither Zarate nor Zamora called me to let me know otherwise. I guess you are their agent.
