UFC 154: St-Pierre vs. Condit

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  1. Orion

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    Champ Georges St-Pierre vs. interim champ Carlos Condit (welterweight-title unification)

    Johny Hendricks vs. Martin Kampmann

    Tom Lawlor vs. Francis Carmont

    Constantinos Philippou vs. Nick Ring

    Mark Hominick vs. Pablo Garza
     
  2. Orion

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    My picks:

    Condit

    Hendricks

    Lawlor

    Philippou

    Hominick
     
  3. joony

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    i see a lot of folks picking condit. i guess it's based on GSP's inactivity? i think GSP is going to beat his ass.

    got kampmann over hendricks. he'll fold once kampmann survives the first round.
     
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    Man, its really hard to pick against GSP, I certainly haven't forgotten how good he is. However, in this case, I think Condit is hungrier and I think GSP's lay-off has to have SOME effect on his timing and mentality. I think Condit is as dangerous and smart as anyone GSP has ever fought, the timing is just ripe for an upset. That being said, I certainly don't feel 100% confident in that pick and it wouldn't surprise me if GSP squeaks out a decision, he won't finish Condit though inside of 5 rounds, that much I am confident.

    Kampann is too hot and cold for me to pick him with confidence. He's durable but in some fights, he shows up without enough offense. I think Hendricks has a lot momentum behind him right now. I can understand your pick though, Hendricks is still relatively untested right now in my eyes against a proven warrior like Kampmann. This is a big test for Hendricks, we'll find out in this fight if he's actually ready for a title shot.

    You'll find I don't always pick the safe picks even in a fight that might go either way, I like to try to pick the upsets when I think there's a decent chance of it happening.
     
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    i thought hendricks lost to koschek. that and if he rematches fitch, i think fitch wins. kampmann is tough and if hendricks can't finish him in the first round, he's going to gas out and succumb once kampmann pours on.

    i still don't see anything spectacular with condit. that and his takedown defense isn't stellar enough to prevent GSP from taking it to the mat. even in standup, i still give the edge to GSP.
     
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    Fair enough Mr Browning, I'm certainly not saying you're wrong, you may very well be right and you make valid points. I said I'm not 100% confident in those picks, I just think the potential is there for the upsets.
     
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    yea, i'm not super confident in my picks either. i guess i'm hoping for a GSP win for better matchups down the line. as for kampmann winning, it's just my gut feeling.
     
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    GSP
    Kampman
    Carmont
    Ring
    Hominick
     
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    GSP by boring decision
    Kampmann by surprisingly boring decision
    don't know much about the others, is Garza that tall Mexican guy that looks like Kendall Grove? Hominick is pretty skilled but fragile, I guess I'll go with Garza.
     
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    I think Condit is a very deserving and dangerous challenger. The guy is 10-1 under the Zuffa umbrella. Pretty damn impressive. And don't listen to what Diaz's groupies say he CLEARLY and rather easily beat that pot head. How is Condit's TD though ? Does anyone know because I sure as hell can't remember...
     
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    he could have lost his first 3 fights though. I agree he beat Diaz and it wasn't close.
     
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    Joosp. He matches up with Condit better than Diaz. Wouldn't exactly be shocked if Joosp lost though, Condit is excellent, and Joosp might not be the same after a huge layoff.

    And I'm picking Kampmann, I sure hopes he beats down the boring wrestler.
     
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    GSP
    Kampman
    Lawlor
    Ring
    Hominick

    Is anyone else suprised to see the Phillippou/Ring fight on the main card?
     
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    No doubt. They're not exactly big names.
     
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    yeah, I just checked out the whole card and there really isn't anyone that stands out that should be there instead though. Cote/Sakara is the only one that even sparked an interest. UFC probably just wanted to go with some younger blood on the main event.
     
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    is it a unification fight for a champ to fight an interim champ? hmmmmm.
     
  17. Orion

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    The event is in Canada guys, they stacked it with Canadian fighters, they always do this when they fight outside of the US.
     
  18. Trplsec

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    The GSP-Condit fight really comes down to one thing. Is GSP still the best offensive wrestler in MMA. If so, he wins easily in a boring affair.

    Condit showed average takedown defense against the two best wrestlers he's faced. Rory MacDonald, who is basically GSP lite, had no problems with taking Condit down. Rory actually owned Condit until becoming exhausted in the final round. Jake Ellenberger also took Condit down and controlled him on the ground. I actually thought Ellenberger deserved the decision.

    Even a rusty GSP is better than MacDonald or Ellenberger. I think Condit spends a long 25 minutes on his back. Condit is a dangerous and dynamic striker, so he will never be out of the fight.

    It's a great match-up because there are so many questions going into this fight. Personally, I can't wait.

    By the way, there are a bunch of interesting match-ups on this card, but Hendricks-Kampmann is just a sick fight. They probably deserve to be the #2 and #3 fighters in the division. The fight is being touted as a "Potential" title elimination bout. There shouldn't be any "potential" about it. The winner should fight for the belt.
     
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    Kampman is always in good fights, you gotta love that guy.
     
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    The weigh-in has me re-thinking my pick. Oddly, it's the first fighter GSP has faced that he won't have a reach advantage against.

    GSP might have some problems here.

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    This card to me is a one fight card. Everything else blows. The co-main is okay for significance in the division but I don't think it will translate into a fun fight at all.
     
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    Unless he's fighting Jake Shields, Kampmann can't be in anything other than good fights. The dude has only won KO of the Night, Sub of the Night and Fight of the Night in 3 of his last 4.

    That being said, this is one of those big main events that works with a mediocre supporting card.
     
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    OK, my official picks:

    Condit TKO 2----- I am going against my own logic and picking GSP to bitch up and quit when it gets tough.
    Hendricks KO 2---- I haven't got a clue here. Kampman has great take down defense and I think it's a stand-up battle favoring Hendricks power
    Carmont----- Sub 2
    Philippou -----UD
    Garza ------UD​
     
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    Anyone have a wee stream for this?
     
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    REED Looooooooooooooves GSP & WANTS him to Win, but @ Gun Point, REED's Rolling w/Condit this Time Out...If this were a GSP w/NO Injuries or Downtime, REED would Pick him as Anybody Else Would...But the LAYOFF, Coupled w/Condit's CONFIDENCE & STAND UP has REED Doubting GSP Here...

    REED has Nooooooooo Problem Eating Crow & Would ENJOY Being WRONG Here, but Something is Telling him to Pick Condit by 2nd Round KO...




    REED:dunno:
     
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    HOLY FUCK!!!
     
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    Let me tell you, that punch that Hendrix threw did not look hard at all. It actually looked like he missed.
     
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    wtf, that was absurd, you could see on the replay the punch just clipped him, it didn't even land properly. Kampmann's head barely moved.
     
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    Interesting, GSP has grown an inch during his layoff.
     
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