Which is better? I know most people would say Pride, and i'd have to agree based upon the little i've seen. However i don't follow either very closely. Is Pride really better? Any arguments for UFC?
There are a lot of Pride elitists out there who shit on everything UFC, but they're just deluding themselves. As far as comparing the quality of the fighters, you can't, for the sole reason that UFC drug tests their fighters and Pride doesn't. Personally, I like the idea of the Octogon more then a standard ring, but I do like both groups. I'd have to say I like UFC better mostly because it's just more available to me, especially since they joined forces with Spike and we get The Ultimate Fighter, their Ultimate Fight Night cards live on free TV, and they're always showing old fights. Oh...and look for Ortiz\Shamrock 3 to completely destroy whatever holds the record for highest rated program in Spike TV history. TFK
:jester: From what I've seen, I always liked Pride better. UFC has consistently disapointed me all year. What's the deal with the drug testing, TFK? A lot of juicers in pride?
Pride doesn't test for steroids or HGH or anything like that. Hell, when Don Frye fought Ken Shamrock in Pride, Shamrock destroyed his ankles, badly tearing his ligaments in both ankles, but Frye was so doped up on painkillers, he didn't even feel it. TFK
I guess they have little regard for the health of their fighters. Going into a fight doped out on painkillers is extremely dangerous. TFK
Wanderlei Silva actually stated this Yr during the OWGP that Pride DO carry out a drugs test on fighters. All this stuff about no drugs test to my knowledge has never been officially stated by Pride officials and is nothing but rumours. Wanderlei confirmed Pride DOES carry out drug tests. as for the topic title, Pride has a larger talent pool, all their divisions are stacked and they are never short of title contenders, the Grand prix they hold is amazing also. UFC has amazing fighters also, but these are the title holders in their respective divisions, and the fact that we see so many rematches btw top calibre fighters shows they have a smaller talent pool compared to Pride. The likes of Chuck Lidell and Rich Frankling etc could easily hang with the best in Pride. Quite frankly their title holders have no contender remotely close to their level. Pride cards are usually stacked with many great fights and most of the time have lived up to the hype. ie the Absolute GP tht just took place. All four of the GP fights could qualify for main event fights, and the event was just amazing. UFC on each card however have just say maybe the one or if ur lucky 2 fights which one looks forward to, usually the main event, and other than that its new faces on PPV cards.
based on the fact that he was 25 lbs lighter than usual? If anything, Coleman was on roids during his earlier years
Because Silva 'says so' that means it's true? Show me a link. Yeah, like Butterbean, Zulu, Giant Silva, etc, etc, etc. TFK
LOL Silva is NOT the altmighty source on whether or not they conduct real steroid tests. I think the talent pool is VERY close between UFC and Pride, despite what Pride nutswingers would have you believe... there are many crossover fighters and they have demonstrated that both clubs have TOP fighters in any division... and most fights between top fighters are almost a toss-up (except IMO Fedor and Hughes are dominant at their weight class, Chuck slight edge over Wanderlei.. but who knows ??) In my opinion Pride is more exciting to watch, this is mainly because a) they allow kicks and stomps to the ground that lets fighters take advantage of their position rather than having to drop to their knees and fight on the ground at the whim of their opponent b) the ring prevents wrestlers from pinning opponents against the cage (ie every Tito Ortiz fight), and leads to more stand-up and alot more transition action c) ROIDS.
Pride is ALOT Deeper..that is for sure...and their heavyweight division CRUSHES UFC's i do prefer the octogon though...though i also like Pride's yellow card rule..it forces the fighters to fight or else they lose some of their purse also...Pride always seems to have their fighters active..they are always fighting each other
UFC fighters are always fighting each other too, and the same people that commend Pride for having this happen shit all over UFC for having "too many rematches".
Remember him and Kerr in the old UFC days? Both were around 250 lbs with Kerr being 2 inches taller. They went to Pride and shrunk up.
Pride does have a deeper talent pool than the UFC. The OWGP is always awesome, and I too prefer the yellow card rule to keep the fight moving.
dude...rematches that we see on UFC are non competitive and should not even be happening....ortiz vs shamrock and lidell vs babalu? cmon man...thats a freakin waste..i think 2 shitty PPV's were organized for those scams
No matter how much of a mismatch it is, Ortiz and Shamrock is always gonna be a draw. They're two of the most recognizable names in MMA among mainstream fans. I guarentee their fight on Spike will far surpass whatever currently holds their record as highest rated program. And Lidell's mattch with Babalu was just to keep him busy and help build up his rematch with Ortiz. Plus it gave UFC an excuse to show his first KO of Babalu again and again. TFK
i mean thats fine and everything but they were still wastes of time for fight fans look at what Pride is going to give us Fedor defending his world title against Coleman Rua vs Randleman Henderson vs Belfort (more excited about this fight then the others) Barnett vs Nastula who i watched recently and seems to be decent then you have a boxer in Butterbeat vs a kick boxer in hunt....a freak show fight thats entertaining in its own right now thats quality right there
Indeed, Pride is so much better it's not even close. Look at the last UFC cards, they nearly all have been recycled junk. It's shamefull. Nearly as bad as boxing.
PRIDE rules UFC. I too like the Henderson vs. Belfort fight. Vitor wins this one devastatingly, and sells back out to the UFC where he will defeat Chuck.
Dude, it's the EXACT same shit as Pride. Fedor - Coleman II really needs to happen ?? Pride is every bit as littered with rematches as UFC is .. it's the nature of the sport! I realize that Ortiz - Shamrock is a BS fight, and I have already said I personally prefer Pride mainly because of the rule differences and the ring, but to hold one to a completely different standard in regards to rematches is ridiculous. edit There is no way you can say Lidell - Babalu should not have happened, half the people were picking Babalu based on him having beat practically all of the Pride heros with ease.
Maybe i can help you with "etc etc" Fedor Emelianenko Antonia Rodrigo Nogueira Antonia Rogerio Nogeuira Josh Barnett Mirko Crocop Sergei Kharitonov Alexander Emelianenko Mark Hunt Fabricio Werdum Pedro Rizzo Roman Zentsov Ricardo Arona Wanderlei Silva Mauricio Shogun Rua Alistair Overeem Luiz Azeredo Phil Baroni Denis Kang Dan Henderson Vitor Belfort Murilo Bustamante Paulo Filho Amar Suleov Ryo Chonan Mark Coleman Kevin Randleman Kazayuki Fujita Yoshida Nakamura Takanori Gomi Joachim Hansen Tatsuya Kawijiri Hector Lombard Kazuo Misaki Minowa Pawel Nastula Murilo Ninja Rua Sakurai These are just some of the fighters i can remember off top of me head, Larger talent pool no?? The fact Pride is able to hold more than one GP (each starting off with 16 fighters) throughout the whole yr and each card has always delivered the excitement one expects shows most of their divisions are competitive and stacked with talent. take for example Chuck Lidell, apart from Randy Couture in the first fight, he has never really been troubled by those in his weight division. Hes fought what 3 times in Pride? All 3 had been extremely tough fights for him, he came from behind to beat both overeem and mezger. Like i said, apart from their champs the UFC dont really have many fighters on their calibre to trouble them. Their most packed division is the Welterweight one. The HW division is a complete joke. I believe the following fighters are very good and would be able to hang in with those in Pride in their respective divisions and be tested well: Chuck Lidell Tito Ortiz Matt Hughes GSP Karo Parisyan BJ Penn Rich Franklin Anderson Silva
This has prob been arranged for the fact that its Prides debut in the US, Coleman is a well known figure in the US, especially with being a former UFC HW champ. Same goes with the Randleman Shogun fight. Agreed. Aye Babalu earned his title shot, but it wasnt cus he beat Pride LHW fighters , hell the dudes never fought in pride, its cus he more or less walked through other possbile title contenders in the UFC.
