Ward vs Froch Scorecard: One Blind Mouse

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  1. Muzse

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    I didn't see the fight but sounds about right.
     
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    It was a closer fight than you dolts think. Froch landed some monster body shots. Ward throws a ton of amateur punches. They are speedy arm punches and this is the pros. Ward won this fight by landing and defense. Froh just couldn't touch him. Ward has an ability to be very underwhelming. Pro judges don't buy his amateurism. Bunch of fucking babies acting like wARD WAS ROBBED. hE WON A FUCKING UD.
     
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    Yeah, I fail to see what all the upset is over, he got a clear UD.

    When Wlad fought Byrd the first time, he won every round and scored two knockdowns, each in a different round, and one judge, a guy called Cesar Ramos, had it 118-108.

    Just what 2 rounds this guy gave Byrd I'll never know.

    What we've got here is a guy who scores fights differently but scores them fairly nonetheless.
     
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    The other guy who scored 115-113 had a perfectly acceptable scorecard. Though now that I look this one closer, the only round I strongly disagree with was the 4th, which I though was clearly Ward's. Also 1st was so-so since it was feeling out by both. Interestingly, this Stewart guy gave Ward 9th, 11th and 12th which all were among Froch's better rounds
     
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    faggot ass rocco is typically biased.

    fact is, if you had 4 of the first 5 rounds for froch youre corrupt. and your post illustrated the corruption big time. the make up rounds always expose the crooks
     
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    Perhaps the Judge Thought Ward was Froch & Vice Versa....


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    Yes, that's a plan, I'll give him rounds he didn't win, then I won't give him rounds he did win, I make sure he still loses on my card. :NotThink:

    The thing about Eugenia Williams was she scored the fight for Holyfield. She gave him rounds he clearly lost and scored the fight FOR HIM.

    No judge gave Froch the decision. NONE. There's no corruption and even worse, there is no story.

    Averarge fight, properly scored, Ward won, unanimously, end of.

    We always hear the expressions such as "a too wide 119-110" or a "too close 114-112" or stuff like that, when a review of a unanimous decision is made.
     
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    In fact, if there was corruption, it was to favor Ward as the guy gave the last 2 rounds to Ward, rounds wich were cleary amongst Froch best, and, if scored properly, would have given Froch the win on his card or at the very least a draw. Whatever the case, I think it's clear to say this guy should never judge a fight ever again. No way was the fight even after 10 and no way did Ward won the last 2 rounds.
     
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    Exactly. I don't have an issue with the other 115-113 card.
     
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    The other guy who scored it 115-113 gave the 4th round to Ward
     
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    A bad card is a bad card.
     
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    Showtime was overlooking a lot of what Froch was doing in their account of events. Thing is, boxing is so fucking corrupt - it's possible the judge was paid off to make it seem closer in case there were a desire for a rematch.

    I basically don't trust anything about boxing, and at this point, it requires pretty strict discipline on my part for me to enjoy it.
     
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    Yes. The only score in this Stewart's scorecard that I simply can't see is giving 4th round to Froch, that never happened. Otherwise his scores are justifiable, even though I didn't agree with them
     
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    The 5th is a round that comes into question as well...

    Ward lost it on all three judges card; however, when you watch it again Froch didn't land much of anything until way late. Ward controlled the round and did more in the first minute than Froch did in three minutes. Froch landed his best three punches within the last 20 seconds of the round. Those shots didn't hurt Ward and weren't enough to swing the round to his favor (Froch)...not based on the previous 2:40.

    If Ward were hurt like let's say Fernando Vargas at the end of round 10 in his fight with De La Hoya...then yes...that's a Froch round. Vargas easily controlled the round then got caught within the last few seconds of the round that saw him out on his feet...that's when the round swung to Oscar.

    There was no such occurence or justification for Froch winning the 5th.

    The 3rd round was close and certainly could have gone either way. The night of the fight I scored it for Ward but don't have an issue with it scored for Froch.

    Overall...the right guy won. But the scoring was curious...especially Stewart's. There's NO FUCKING WAY Ward won the 11th.

    I'd say Metcalfe's round 5 is suspect as well as the Brit judge scoring the 12th for Ward.

    As said...the right guy won, but it's important to have judges do a fair job across the board. This one was easy to determine who the winner was. The issue comes when fights are (or should be) scored closer. Some of the rounds scored in this one were clear to determine who won and (especially Stewart) some rounds were still judged poorly.
     
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    Since there is no such thing as a bad card let's look at the rounds that Froch could have won according to the judges:
    1, 3, 4, 5, 9, 10, 11, and 12.

    Froch got fucking robbed.
     
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    I think the English judge got it right.
     
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    I totally agree

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    It has to be said that this card is probably the worst I have ever seen. Just about every signle round is cored wrong. what the hell was that guy watching? The other 115-113 card is about how I scored it and looks pretty sound to me. The British guys card is pathetic.

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