What Fighters Are PROBABLY Using Something "Illegal", And Why Do You Feel So???

Manny Pac- facial features have changed, hairline has changed, hair-quality has improved, drastic improvement in performance, all-action, powerful style, seems impervious to punishment, his corner has something to gain also, reticence to testing. Also, Uncle Roger says so.

Wlad: His physique suggest enhancement but he has actually regressed stylistically rather than progressed. Use of gear may be cosmetic as much as performance-enhancing.

Hopkins: Guy was an average middlweight with a lot of decision wins, or late stoppages, suddenly, whilst in his 40's, displays remarkable powers of recovery, improved physique, stamina etc. Has a history of cheating and illegality.

Vitali: Used gear when out-of-boxing to aid injury, failed test regardless, ligament and tendon damage suggests steroid use.

Briggs: a blindfolded Stevie Wonder could see that this guy is on gear. Enhances his performance in that he can take sustained beatings, but thats about it.

Adamek: Drops a decision to Flash Dawson and then moves up to Heavyweight??? Showed big power at 200lbs dropping Cunningham and blasting out Banks in style. Rumours from some former training camp member have bolstered suspicions.

 

Okay so nobody is doing anything against the rules. Great.

 

Hopkins is TOP 3 greatest middleweight ever...so how is he average? In the 90's Hopkins had incredible stamina...as he gotten older he throws fewer punches a round....Prime Hopkins was all over his opponents for 12 rounds.....


Reovery? Only time I seen Hopkins hurt in the last 10 years was vs. Pascal....a guy with average power at best....

 

Pac..is on something......afraid of needles...yet has tats all over his body...and there is a few videos of him in a tats parlor...



Briggs has injected a few gallons of steroids in his career......just look at him FAT and MUSCLE bound together makes him a useless boxer...who can take a beating like nobody's business....

 

You're just trying to diminish his mythical matchup win over Tito. :nono:

 

With all the nuthuggery going around here and on youtube about PACQUIAO greatness...makes me wish ....makes me wish.....makes me wish...makes me wish...that FLOYD MAYWEATHER would just fight him and FUCK HIS ASS UP.......


But it has nothing to do with beating Trinidad in a mythical matchup.....SHIT even when he beat the shit out of COTTO I had no problem with PAC.....but lately his fans boys are getting on my nerve...

 

lets turn this into another Pac vs. Floyd thread....



Come on really...just opponent your mind a bit...50 million for a fight..all you have to do is take 2-3 extra blood test...and don't worry your opponent would have to do the same....


And it's not like it will be Mayweather there taking the blood from Pac arm teasing him about being filipino and snake size.....:notallthere:



Mayweather is a SCARED BITCH....but Pacquiao isn't to sure about his chances either.....

 

manuel medina- im just guessing based on his physique.

 

Neither of them are imo.

 

Do rumours normally bolster suspicions? Do rumours normally bolster anything?

 

I think it's realistic to say that any top fighters s on the gear in one way or another. You see amateur athletes, and not even top one, taking steroids to enhance their performance, even with nothing at stakes. With the $$$ at stakes, where a W can mean millions of dollars, a top fighter would be foolish not too, especially with how easilly the tests are too beat. Still, I figure that some fighter has some better stuff than others they are, imo and in no specific order :

Wlad and Vitaly ( pretty easy to see imo )

Pac and Floyd ( you are not that dominant without taking a little extra imo )

Bute and Pascall ( Quebec has a very powerfull pharmacology industry, Bute and Pascall, as well as GSP in MMA, reaps the benefits of it )

Andre Ward ( he associates with Victor Conte and shows an improved physique, strenght and cardio )

Adamek and Hopkins ( for the reasons Irish posted even thought I disagree that Hopkins was average, he alway's was exceptionnal, just that his physique looks a little bit too good for a man his age, even a notorious rat gym as he is)

Briggs I think is a bad example, of course he's on the juice, but I think not on the right kind of juice, but on the one taken by body builder, sure it helped his punching power and strenght but I'm not sure it made him a better boxer overall.

But as I said, this is only a hunch and I suspect all fighters of juicing, it in no way or form, mean to diminsh their accomplishements.

 

Briggs is the poster boy for steriods. I mean seriously look at the damn guy. Also Ricardo Lopez that guy was clearly on some roids.

 

Everyone mentioned, plus possibly David Haye. In his defense, Haye's always had a beast physique (he posted a picture of himself at 15 on the Max forums and he was huge/ripped even back then).. but since the move to HW he's just ridiculous. In today's climate that's enough to raise suspicions.

 

Tim Bradley. I'll Holla 5000

 

Even if PEDS were declared legal in this disgraceful sport, I doubt any fighter would admit to it,... so you can't go this route, there's still secrecy as to the quality of stuff one fighter takes over another. Only proper way to go is to have the best drug testing available, a few may be able to sneak some shit into thier systems,.. but over the course of an entire career, we may just see several 'shocking' :wack: busts.

 

take it from fredo, he has a yankees tramp stamp, and yet fears syringes

 

your posts are always good for a laugh

also, i'm guessing you either a) don't have a fear of needles or b) don't have any tats, or c) both and are just talking out of your ass like usual

 

It's a fair point, if we're talking about the first negotiation between Floyd and Pac.

However, so is 50 million for a winnable fight and all you have to do is sign it and not demand a test that no other opponent throughout your career (up to that point) was made to take.

Pac is likely on something. I think Floyd would beat him regardless. Floyd obviously doesn't think so, especially after Pac agreed to the 14 day cutoff and Floyd 'wasn't thinking about boxing'.

 

Floyd deep sixed the 14 day cutoff permanently after Pac's initial refusal to take it. Arum then came back several months later w ith "WE AGREED TO FLOYD'S DEMANDS" even though Floyd had said "the 2 week window is permanently off the table now" once negotiations fell apart the first time around.

 

You'd have a point if that's what Floyd said and that was the reason the second negotiations fell through. It wasn't. Floyd said he wasn't thinking about boxing.

Here's the part I don't understand: Floyd wanting Pac to take the test initially, whist a shock to the fans, has merit. So IF (mind you I'm saying IF) Pac did in fact agree to the 14 days the second time around, why would Floyd not just be happy that the tests he originally wanted will be taken and make the fight so he can get his payday?

 

Why? They train both with weights & are 6'7, 8. And they're talented natural athletes.

Seriously, take a walk down any decent gym you see guys with that level of physique who A) dont roid and B) aren't professional athletes who's job it is to train every day.

 

i think it's really funny about Pac

who is turning down MILLIONS becuase they don't want to test?

if you were clean you'd test!!!

you wouldn't care about "14 days" either.. he says that cuz he needs that much time to beat the test!!

 

I dont understand how people think getting a shot hurts... it doesn't hurt... being pinched hard hurts more

 

Manny knows being punched in the face 300 times by Floyd Mayweather would hurt more, too.

 

It never hurts. I don't really know why I hate needles, I just do. It's not really about the pain.

 

I hate this topic. Let's leave the "gear", "PED", "Illegal" topics fo now, please.

 

::true

 

Because Floyd doesn't make the rules in boxing and there is nothing according to the rules of the LVAC that Pacquiao is REQUIRED to take any extra tests.