What if ODH's Wins and Losses read like this....

Oscar, for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the outstanding level of competition he's faced, has had a lot of controversial decisions. Some have gone his way. Some have not. What if the ones that did go his way did not, and the ones that did not, did. Would he be viewed as a better or worse fighter looking back?

L UD Whitaker
L UD Quartey
W UD Trinidad
W UD Mosley II
L UD Sturm
W UD PBF

 

The Mayweather fight is only controversial for those who let their hate for Mayweather get in the way of their judgement. Mayweather didn't impressively win, but he won nonetheless. I cannot see any argument that can be made for DLH.

 

Can you see any argument for ODH having won the first Mosley fight?

 

I think the same could be said of the Quartey fight. And the Whitaker fight too for that matter. I can't see any argument that can be made that he lost those fights, and yet plenty of people will tell you that Quartey and Whitaker beat ODH. That's why they're controversial.

 

I disagree, these fights were way more debated when the decisions were announced than the Mayweather fight.

 

Yeah. Nobody actually thinks Oscar beat Floyd. He certainly could have if he had stuck with his jab and if he wasn't an 9 round fighter at the best of times, but no one honestly believes he did.

 

In any case, do you think if those decisions were all reversed that he'd be viewed as having been a better fighter or a worse one? Feel free to leave out the PBF fight in your assessment. So his record would look like this:

L UD Whitaker
L UD Quartey
W UD Trinidad
W UD Mosley II
L UD Sturm

I think you could make the argument that his losing to Sturm would dampen greatly the significance of Hopkins' win over ODH. What we know to be true would be undeniable which is that ODH is simply too small to be fighting at 160.

We all have our opinions on each of the fights above. Like I said, I can't see how he possibly lost to Whitaker or Quartey. And I think he clearly out-worked Sturm and beat Mosley in the rematch. But I actually agree with the the decision going to Trinidad in their fight, although in hind-sight you have to give ODH a lot of credit if you subscribe to the theory that Trinidad had been wrapping his hands illegally all along, leading up to the Hopkins fight.

 

I wouldn't regard him any differently since I judge fighters careers based on what happens in the ring rather than in the tiny little minds of judges anyway. For what it's worth I thought he won all his contentious fights apart from the Sturm fight. I don't regard the Mayweather fight as contentious.

 

No.

 

You just have to :: when he makes statements like that.

The real thread question should have been...what if all these fights were 10 rounders.

 

Petre does. Everybody that was at his place watching on his 175" Plasma TV were also in agreement.

 

You're just a dumb troll. I don't think I've seen anything ever related to boxing written by you. All you do is go around ridiculing people's posts. What a great asset you are to this board. Why don't you just stay put in TAA. When it comes to boxing, you don't seem to have any interest in discussing it, and I take it by your lack of input regarding the sport that you don't know very much about it. I think you're just an ass-hole who's found a place to insult people.

 

You should be ridiculed for statemtns like "I can't see any argument that can be made that he lost those fights".

Franklyk, I'm surprised people still respond to you...but most of the people that ridiculed you into a comedy side show are gone and now all that's left are remnants.

And trying to compare the controversy over DLH-Quartey/Whitaker with the "controversy" after Mosley/Mayweather-DLH is simply absurd.

 

Why do you think the decisions are controversial? Because there's people who can't imagine the decision going to ODH, and there's people who can't imagine it going to the other guy. Hence, the controversy.

And I never compared the controversey following Mosley/ODH I with that of ODH/Quartey or ODH/Whitaker. In fact, there was little if any controversey following ODH/Mosley I. But don't try to tell me there wasn't controversy following ODH/Mosley II. In my mind, that was an out-right robbery. And yet there's people who are as certain that Mosley won as I am that ODH did.

Nobody's forced you to particpate in this thread. So if you find it so ridiculous, why don't you just refrain from doing so.

More often than not, you miss the point I'm trying to make so absolutely, or misinterpret what I've said so entirely that I feel like hitting my head against the wall when I read your responses.

I think the intelligence gap may be too large when it comes to you and me. Sometimes I feel like I'm trying to explain algebra to a two year old. It's futile. But it's even worse than that. Because whereas a two year old will be pretty sure he doesn't understand what I'm talking about, you somehow think you do. Most of the time you don't.

 

This is your criteria? ::

There can be a reasonable debate over the DLH-Whitaker/Quartey fights...both the overall fight and specific rounds.

To have the same discussion about Mayweather-DLH is absurd.

DLH's lucky it was even a Split Decision.

That was a gift from Tom Kaczmarek, just like his lead against on one card against Hopkins was a gift from Keith McDonald.

There was controversy over the Mosley-DLH II fight, as there should have been. It was a close fight, with a questionable decision...though I think the debate over the scoring of the fight was marred narration of the fight. I think it was closer than Lampley would have people believe.

As for your little exercise in self-esteem building, I hope it worked for you.

 

So how would you characterize circumstances such as the those described above?

 

who was trumpetting the significance of hopkins beating delahoya? it was a shitty fight inwhich a 156 lb hopkins outskilled a smaller, less skilled opponent. not one of the 10 best victories of his career.

 

in my mind..oscar has lost to Mosely the first time, Sturm, Hopkins, Mayweather, and Manny P

 

I thought the two worst ones were Whitaker and Trinindad, so it's a wash for me.

 

Now that would be an interesting topic...numbering all the DLH decisions (for and against) from most to least questionable.

 

De La Hoya did nothing for the middle portions of the Quartey fight. He lost the round when both guys went down (6), as Ike controlled the rest of the round, then lost the next 3. And after arguably winning round 10, didn't do much in round 11 either. DLH needs to have won 4 of the first 5 in order to win that, and he didn't. That fight wasn't even hard to score.

DLH's record probably can't really read:

L UD Whitaker
L UD Quartey
W UD Trinidad
W UD Mosley II
L UD Sturm

Because those fights wouldn't have taken place. If he had lost to Quartey then Quartey and Trinidad would've fought instead (unless DLH beats Ike in a rematch).

I consider the rematch with Mosley a no-contest anyway.

Historically his ranking probably wouldn't change all that much, just picturing those decisions going those ways and DLH then fighting the same opponents afterwards win or lose, but of course that probably wouldn't happen.

 

Only the LOVE for Floyd can lead anyone to believe Floyd won that fight. No way he deserved that victory over ODLH.

 

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thats some bullshit right there....i watched the entire fight in slow motion Hoya vs Quartey and I had Hoya winning that fight by 1 point..it was very hard to score the fight.....

 

I can't believe anyone considers the Trindad or Whitaker fights are controversial. They aren't. Oscar clearly won both.He also won the Shane rematch clearly. Some of his fights are debateable because people hate Oscar. If you can objectively score a fight, there are less controversies.

Quartey-I thought Ike won by a point and I can't see how Oscar won. I could see a draw but no less for Ike.

Sturm-a disgrace. An out and out Robbery . Sturm won at worst 8-4

Mayweather- don't see how Oscar won; he didn't. Awful fight and Dana White made millions because PBF is one of the least exciting fighters in history.

I have even heard that dipshit troll Neil claim Oscar lost to John John Molina. It just goes to show you with Oscar there is always an agenda.

 

:notallthere:

 

What rounds were hard to score?

I thought that fight was one of the easier DLH controversial fights to score.

Now DLH's bouts with Whitaker and the rematch with Balco Mosley, those were hard to score.

 

Starting w/the WORST Verdict 1st....

1. DeLa vs. Tito
2. DeLa vs. Sperm
3. DeLa vs. Mosley II
4. DeLa vs. Whittaker
5. DeLa vs. Quartey



REED:hammert:

 

did u watch sanabria vs gatti in slow motion also?