Do you think the skill level of American boxing is superior to UK boxing or Euro boxing in general? What about Mexican boxing vs UK boxing? After Canelo's recent fight there's this general concensus among media that Canelo only fights "Euro bums" and is avoiding elite undefeated Afro American champions. Like the Charlos and the Andrades. What I don't understand is why would anyone call Callum Smith who is an elite boxer a tomato can or a bum. Maybe people dont understand the amount of skill and dedication it takes to get even near the top... let alone become world champions like a Smith or a Saunders. With white Euro boxers as slick as Lomachenko... I think it's safe to say that Euro Bum myth is pretty much dead? Or are great Euro fighters too few and far in between compared to the amount of great American and Mexican fighters? Just food for thought.
I think it mostly have to do with the style of euro boxers, which tends to be more stiff and upright than americans ones
It's for the most part an outdated term. I guess it originated from protected fighters that fought almost exclusively in Europe and benefitted from not only comfortable match-making but generous decisions to top it off. Brian Nielsen would be an example.
It's a good point.........it's largely a post-war thing where guys like Don Cockell or Joe Bugner became known for game losing efforts.
That has more to do with the Olympic amateur style than the "bum" aspect. ie. Stand tall, basic jab/right hand rinse/repeat
Yeah also this. Euro fighters were pretty bad, in the majority, for a good while. Totally different now, especially woth the end of the soviet union
It's that too but you need to round it out a bit. Previously guys like Neelson would go to the USA, get wasted, and be given kudos for their game losing effort and criticized for being eurobums. Then they figured out, thanks to TV, how they could stay at home and make money. Then Cheffski refused to go to the USA and that really drove the phenomenon. Here was a guy making comparable money, getting his name mentioned a lot, who was good but inferior, would probably lose, but didn't have to take the fight and could still be a "Champ". Then you got Lou DiBella putting the Klitschkos down etc. Eurobummery really was a phenomenon of the early 2000's
Honestly, for years now the Easten European fighters have been much better than the Western ones. There's a shit ton of top fighters from Russian and Ukrainian, but none from France and Spain.
Probably due to economics. Yes, there are exceptions but largely the best fighters come from humble if not outright shit conditions. I'd rather live in Belgium than in Nicaragua or Kazakhstan but if you were to bet where the next great fighter was from ...
Still, there's a shit ton of ghettos in France and there's barely any good fighter coming out of there
True, but western Europe is different from the U.S. or Eastern Europe in terms of ghettos. You also have to look at sporting background. Miami has a lot of poor immigrants but chances are you'll find better Cubans than Dominicans or Slavic people when it comes to boxing even if the numbers were more similar.
Ah.. the old Roy Jones Jr vs Darius michalezewski debate. Touted as the one guy that could beat Roy. Ya'll musta forgot .
The legend goes that if you turn out the lights and say "Eurobum" in the mirror 5 times, Morrade Hakkar will appear.
For every German Robbery there were two or three American ones FFS Foreman vs Schulz? Hell that was chronologically the start of all of it. Sturm got robbed vs Oscar. EDIT: Bruno Girard too, vs Byron Mitchell. Ricky Burns got fucked over too, points deducted for fuck all. Joe Cortez robbed Ricky Hatton. Look, Floyd was ALWAYS too good but Joe was there to make sure. So you know, let's not make out the USA is some bastion of fairness.
I didn't, I brought it up. DM couldn't have beaten Roy in a month of Sundays. Roy and the DM did give this forum it's greatest ever one-liner though. I think it was Reed who applauded how Roy had dressed like Captain Hook for the promo vs Ruiz and TKO said it was the first pirate he'd ever seen that was afraid to leave home.
Povetkin? Wlad? Vitali? Tszyu? Dennis Lebedev? DM? Adamek? These guys were all good. Bruno Girard- another guy robbed in the USA....was a French Scrub who was still good enough to be a legit champ at 168. The best German nobody ever talks about is Graciano Rocchigianni. That fucker could box, period. Ain't many guys who beat John Scully, Mustafa Hamsho and Michael Nunn. In fact I don't know if there's a dude who beat all 3 apart from Rocchigiani. Fought Eubank, Maske, Ulrich, DM etc. He was beating the lard out of DM [who by all accounts was training on whores and booze] when DM faked a low blow to get out of the mauling being put on him. Another very talented waster from Germany was Bubi Scholz.
Not the greatest of fights but it appeared pretty clear that Schulz deserved the decision. From what i recall the commentary went into immediate apologetics and spin doctor mode. The old chest nut of of having to "take the title from the champion" and such nonsense. They essentially dismissed the outcome of what they just witnessed. If the roles were reversed you can bet it would have been an ootrage. Don't fight in Europe etc.
Yep, it seems the tradition of "Who you gone believe, us or your own lying eyes" started on HBO, not CNN. Foreman himself- who went to pains to be as honest as possible in the 2nd half of his career- said after the fight "I hit him, and while I was waiting for him to fall over, he hit me back" Foreman was all swollen at the end and knew he'd come off 2nd best. Schulz had the high-hands style and the movement and good jab to make a fight of it. Classic case of making the most of your talents and tailoring them to the task.
Not saying the usa is or was a bastion of sanctity, but the corruption was at another level in Germany. Who can forget Reid-Otkke
