When is Arthur Abraham going to step up?

Or is he going to continue fighting bums forever? :dunno:

 

Two mandatories, six fights, and all that in 24 months, despite a twice broken jaw. Not bad. But I know what you are saying, 2008 should be the year he takes a "superfight" with Sturm, Winky, Taylor or Pavlik. Maybe he can end Calzaghe´s career. :crafty: :crafty:

 

He's got another piss-easy fight against a UK bum next month. :dunno:
I'd have thought after Pavlik dispatched Miranda and Taylor, back-to-back, Abraham would have been chomping at the bit.

 

Well I´m sure they exploited their options, but thought killing either Pavlik or Taylor to prevent their rematch was a bit drastic. Sturm will fight Griffin again and then his mandatory, the winner of Castillejo/Carrera II. Basically Winky would be the only option at the moment before the summer of 2008. I´ll settle for a BAD broadcast of Povetkin/Chambers and Abraham/TBA right now to get on US TV, maybe against Karmazin, Mora, Lorenzo or Zuniga.

 

Sturm....Castillejo....Karmarzin.
God, I never realised these utterly mediocre fighters were still active...

 

he says he wants to come to America but i ain't holding my breath. Pavlik would crucify him and i'm sure his camp realizes it.

 

Sturm is an embarassment as a title holder, you can criticise the likes of a Valero for not having fought a live body but at least he's getting them out of there

 

Abraham is the KING at 160.
Let the other pretenders come to him to fight for the KING's crown.
Why should he come to them?

 

I don't recall Abraham beating Kelly Pavlik so he can't be the king. Did a fight in which Abraham fought for the linear MW title take place that I did not see?

 

Do you recall Abraham going the distance with Miranda?

 

you mean as opposed to knocking him out, the way Pavlik did?

sorry. but Abraham has no claim whatsoever to the title at 160. He's a paper champion at best.

 

Did Baldomir have a claim to the title, when he got schooled by PBF?

 

i'm sure he did in your fkd up little mind.

 

Why the insults? :dunno:
Anyhoo, back to the point....
In your mind,did Baldomir have a claim to the title when he fought PBF?

 

It doesn't matter what anyones opinion is on that. Baldomir was the World Welterweight Champion when he fought Floyd, undisputed.

 

Is that a fact?
(I ask for Double L's benefit, he seems to be a fan of facts....)

 

Abraham is another overrated, protected German.

He would be squashed like a bug by Pavlik, Calzaghe and Kessler.

Abraham Vs Taylor is a pick em fight. I might even pick Taylor.

 

You pick Pavlik and Double L picks Pavlik, what now? ::

 

Did he not beat Miranda and Gevor?

 

Yes, that is a fact. When Vernon Forrest fought Shane Mosley back in 2002 it was for the clear 147 pound championship. Baldomir held that title.

 

Interesting....
so, just to clarify things a bit.....what you're saying is that at the time PBF fought Baldomir, Carlos was the undisputed, true, linear, welterweight champion of the world?
And, thus, he was THE man to beat at the division?

 

yes

no

 

Even more interesting....
So, undisputed, true, linear, god-like, world champion is not THE man to beat?
So, who would the MAN be, then? Some fringe WBU titleholder?

 

what you fail to recognize, but which is an obvious truth, is that the significance of that title waxes and wanes over time.

there's nothing intrinsically important about that title - it's significant only to the extent the champion has managed to defeat good fighters in winning and defending it.

in the case of baldomir, he beat judah in a close fight, and then defended it against Gatti before losing it. in other words, its importance was waning significantly at the time PBF captured it. this apparently is a hard pill for you to swallow but it's something you're going to have to learn to live with if you have any intention of confronting reality.

 

Yes, he was. Margarito was a better fighter, but Carlos was obviously the guy to beat.

 

Double L, before we proceed further with discredeting your opinions, could you answer the question I posed to you twice already? Namely.....
At the time PBF fought Baldomir, was Carlos the undisputed, true, linear, welterweight champion of the world?
Please answer in a "Yes/No" format.
Thank you.

 

How was Margarito a better fighter?
By the time Baldomir fought PBF, Margarito didn't even step up to Clottey's level of competion....And Baldomir was defeating Clottey's level of opposition for years in a row, by the time he fought PBF....

 

well, i think i've implied, "yes" fairly clearly in my response. and the reason i wasn't explicit about it is because as i said, it's not important whether he was or not. what's important, as i said, is that the significance and prestige of that title is not absolute - not by a long shot. and this is why it's silly for you to go around bally-hooing the fact that PBF won this title, because anyone in their right mind knows there's at least 5 guys at 147 who are far superior to Baldomir.

 

Some picks are easy enough for even the legendary Double L to get right.

He is a novice boxing fan. Any intermediate level match ups and above, he gets wrong every time.

 

Is that a "Yes"?
Because I don't have time to read your long-winded and incomprehensible post , when all that was required of you was to provide "yes" or "no" answer....