Where does Nick Diaz Rank

among the welterweights in MMA?

 

Solid Top 10 guy

 

10th.

 

top 5

 

Top 5

 

I'D put him in front of Hardy and Condit maybe Kampmann, but imo he is not before Kos, Shields, ALves, Fitch and GSP. Not quite top 5.

 

At this point I think he would be dangerous for any fighter at 170 even GSP and Fitch.

 

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I really don't see it, sorry. I'm not a big Fitch fan so I won't go into defending him that much, cuz I'm not so sure about it. But GSP would totally outclass him standing, is by far the better wrestler and imo not in too much of a danger of getting submitted.

Diaz boxing is alright but he'S so fucking slow. Him being a zobie with a granite chin gets him through but not against GSP.


Also you asked for ranking and that is mostly based on accomplishments or at least a healthy mixture of that and the who beats who aspect. I mean Jon Jones prolly beats a lot of people in his first fight but you can't rank him top 10 or 20 just like that.

 

Jones is definitely top 10. He mashed up Matyushenko like he was a can.

 

Of course sorry I didn't make that perfectly clear i meant in or after his first fight he wasn't ranked top ten although he probably had the ability of beating most of the top ten.

 

The only guys at 170 that are clearly better than Diaz is GSP an Fitch. He is a million times a more complete MMA fighter than Alves and even Kos. Kos can only hope to take him down and lay and pray for 3 rounds. Diaz is top 5 WW in the world no doubt.

 

I've been saying it for some time now, Diaz is one of the top 5 Welterweights in MMA without question. That notion has been continually scoffed at, but the dude just keeps destroying opponents.

After his beat down of Zaromskis, I had the unmitigated gall to say I'd love to see Diaz in with GSP, Fitch or Shields. The overwhelming response was that Diaz was good but he wasn't near THAT good.

Nevertheless, I would favor Diaz over any 170 pounder in the world except for GSP and Fitch. I'd make him even money with Shields.

Diaz has solid stand up, a granite chin, endless cardio, great BJJ even from his back, and has a mental toughness that is unmatched.

It looks like Diaz has the hard punching Paul Daley up next, so we'll get to see him tested again.

 

Diaz is going to take Dalys arm home with him.

 

I agree. Diaz could easily win if he turns it into a grappling match. Daley has never met a takedown attempt that he didn't help be successful.

That being said, Diaz loves to show off his stand-up and something tells me that he will choose to bang with Daley which is a bad idea.

It was great to see how quick he slapped that arm bar on Cyborg last night.

Most people won't give Diaz credit for the mental game he won last night. Knowing that Cyborg typically wears down, Nick kept coming forward even if he was getting the worst of the exchanges because he knew the pressure would force Cyborg to work at a high rate. It worked. Since punches and leg kicks weren't keeping Nick off him, Cyborg went for the take down. But being tired and in Nick's guard was a terrible place to be.

 

best line of the post, nice:giggle:

 

I see the biggest problem facing Diaz in the near future is lack of competition. Daley is a very formiddable opponent. But if he gets through Paul Daley, what is next? Coker has to be thinking about this now. He really needs to be recruiting some new competition. Right now the only one on the horizon after Daley I can think of is Woodley, and that just does nothing for me, and I doubt does much for Diaz. I wouldn't mind seeing Diaz and Alvarez fight if they can get an agreement with Bellator, but I see Alvarez looking at Melendez more than Diaz.

 

I can honestly see Diaz looking to move up. I think a possible catch weight fight with Mayhem at 180 lbs and then Diaz campaigning at 185 might be in the cards.

You are right. The challenges in Strikeforce at 170 just aren't there. If there was one guy I wish Dana would swallow his pride on and try to get back, it's Nick Diaz.

 

diaz pretty much gave coker the middle finger at the pre-fight press conference saying that he's underpaid. not sure where his loyalty lies, but diaz would go back to the ufc if dana let him back in.

 

Well, I think Diaz is a tremendous fighter. I think he is one of the Top 5 170 pounders in the world. But in listening to his recent interviews and comments, he really has a skewed idea of his value.

There are a handful of guys on the Strikeforce roster that would pack the house in San Jose and Diaz is just one of them. But his broad appeal beyond that isn't where he thinks it is. A Diaz-Alves or Koscheck or Fitch fight in the UFC wouldn't be PPV Main Event worthy but something tells me Diaz thinks they would be.

But if he wants a shot at bigger money, the UFC and a potential showdown with GSP is the place to be.

 

he was complaining about how pacquiao makes 40 million and how gsp gets whatever he gets paid. the thing is, strikeforce and its shitty roster is the reason why diaz ranks where he does at this point.

i think diaz vs. diego, kampmann, and paulo thiago are toss ups while i'd pick koschek and fitch to dominate him on the ground. diaz's jiujitsu won't work against guys who can't be submitted.

 

Kos and Fitch have never faced anyone as good off their backs as Diaz so I wouldn't completely agree. But it would be tough for Diaz if he couldn't grab something off his back because there is no way he stops Kos or Fitch from taking him down.

 

not sure if diaz's ground game has improved since leaving the ufc. it sure wasn't at the elite level while he was in the ufc losing to guys like sherk and sanchez (although that was like 6 years ago). if anything, his standup has improved since going over to strikeforce, but that won't mean shit against koschek and fitch.

i think diaz is a good fighter who's fun to watch, but i'd much rather see him in the ufc where i don't think he'll be anywhere near dominant as he is in strikeforce. that's just my opinion though. but i do admit that w/ every win, he's been more impressive. i'm excited to see how he fares vs. daley.

 

Its hard to tell I think
Hes one of those cases of a guy with a large amount of skill who has no physical strengh. Kind of like jake shields.

So per the amount of talent he has, he could hang with guys like gsp and fitch. But when it comes down to it i dont see diaz stopping these guys from taking him down and just smothering him.

 

Fitch, GSP, Kos, and Alves would all beat him in rather uncompetitive fights.

Condit and Lytle beat him cleanly but closer.

Martin Kampmann, Paulo Thiago, Diego Sanchez and Rick Story are all tossups agreed on that.

I'd favour all of them against Diaz though slightly.

He'd beat Hardy though.

 

Kos and Alves would beat him in uncompetitive fights? :notallthere:

 

Alves gets subbed by Diaz.

 

Stupid statement.

 

Stupid is saying that Chris Lytle would cleanly beat Diaz when Diaz already has a clear, easy win over Lytle.

Lytle has improved dramatically since that point but so has Diaz. There is no way he beats Diaz.

 

You can't be serious with this one....

Next you are telling me that saying Thiago Alves would beat Spencer Fisher is stupid too?

I was wondering why the hell I couldn't recall this happening and then I look it up to see it was some regional circuit fight from 2002.

9 years ago.....


So as I was saying Chris Lytle would beat Nick Diaz fairly clearly.

And its not even that Lytle is particularly that good, although he is top 15 fighter, he'd beat Diaz more based on being a bad matchup for him.

Diaz isn't going to hurt him, and Lytle throws just about as many punches as Diaz does and has never really gassed that I remember in recent fights. He also hits much harder, with MUCH better technique. That said, it's Diaz, most female fighters have more technique than Nick and his ridiculous arm punches.