Which was a better win: Cotto or Mayweather?

Inspired from Sly's Hops/Calzaghe thread.

Miguel Cotto winning 7 of 12 rounds against the 36 year old, full-time fighter, Shane Mosley at welterweight?

Floyd Mayweather winning 8 of 12 rounds against the 34 year old, part-time fighter, Oscar De La Hoya at jr. middleweight?

Which was a better win?

 

Oh Lord....

 

So you're on the fence?

 

:: I'm just anticipating YET ANOTHER 26-page thread with the constant flaming battle between Cotto/Mayweather fans/dectractors plus a sprinkling of trolls and instigators.

 

BOTH Guys LEFT Something in the Ring that Night, Meaning NEITHER Cotto NOR Floyd Went for BROKE...

But w/Out Question, Cotto-Shane is the More RE-watchable Fight...REED has Honestly TRIED to RE-watch Floyd-Dela Several Times & CANNOT Make it Past the 5th or 6th Round:: ...

This Question Could B Answered in Various ways...Floyd-Dela was More "Important", Cause it Took Floyd to a NEW Level in Terms of FAME, NOTORIETY & MONEY...But the Fight Itself STUNK...

Cotto-Shane was the "Better" Win, Cause REED Thinks Shane had MORE of a Legitimate Chance of WINNING & Cotto was SLIGHTLY More IMPRESSIVE in that Fight, than Floyd was vs. DeLa...



REED

 

Cotto over Mosley @ 147-No Doubt

 

Then I'd consider the thread a success.

 

Agreed!

 

Go away. ::

Success is an actual objective, civil discussion acknowledging great points by others and raising one's own like an adult.

It has started well thus far....let's see! opcorn:

 

This is a tough thread to make because Floyd ran ,clinched , and punched gloves to a cheap Split Decision victory , with DLH standing there clearly not a beaten fighter at the end of the bout.
As far as Cotto , that fight was so close , how could one honestly say "he really beat Mosely" in a sense that he was the better, tougher fighter at the end ...

I will have to say the Cotto/Mosely fight ONLY because both guys came to fight and they actually did fight ...

 

Wow, my vote is the 1st for Floyd over Oscar?

 

Cotto beating Shane was more impressive. Shane is a better fighter than Oscar, especially now.

 

I voted for Cotto.

Mosley is a more serious fighter at this point in his career than DLH, and while both PBF and DLH displayed good skill level and defense (DLH probably exceeded expectations in this regard, along with his competitiveness), I think most everyone expected DLH to (predictably) fade over the second half of the fight (which hey did)...no such guarantees with Mosley, and while DLH tested Mayweather's skill, he didn't test him physically (and mentally) the way Mosley did with Cotto.

 

You should be ashamed to vote for "that fight" in any positive way.

 

So here's my argument:

Both fighters were expected to win. Both fighters won. Floyd won as expected (regardless of the judge's best efforts to steal it from him), Cotto not so much, but was more resourceful in obtaining his win. So that part is almost a wash.

Both Shane and Oscar are closer to retirement than their primes. So that's a wash.

Here's the tiebreaker:

Floyd was fighting in his 5th weight class, basically his walk-around weight, against a naturally (much) bigger fighter, though one on the downside of his career.

Cotto is in the heart of his prime, and struggled with a cagey veteran, though one in the twilight of his career.

Cotto's win was FAR more asthetically pleasing, whereas watching Floyd-GLH once was once too many. But that's not what the question is asking.

 

True Jake but , you must give an "E" for effort , something that was not going on in the DLH/PBF fight - and mostly because of PBF ..
Cotto and Mosely actually fought ... DLH and PBF just didn't come close in terms of effort , heart , and balls ... Everytime DLH attempted some action , Mayweather put a quick stop to it instead of attempting to punch the shit out of DLH , he was content with a clinch or an arm grab.
If he is so good , fuck , fire off some combo's and fuck DLH up instead of hugging him.
The same can not be said for Cotto/Mosely ... They both did their jobs and did them without finding other ways of avoiding a real fight.

 

I said Cotto was more resourceful in his win. There's his E for effort.

 

I liked Cotto winning 8 rounds against Mosley, over Mayweather not losing 8 vs. De La Hoya.

 

cotto won his fight vs. mosley because he was younger. that was proven when mosley's late surge almost earned him a draw.

floyd fought a much bigger guy in oscar and despite what some folks say, i thought he outboxed him clearly with superior skills and left very little doubt as to who the better boxer is.

oh yea, it was also his fight 5th division title.

 

Do you think that if DLH could still make 147 he wouldn't be better than he is at 154?

DLH didn't improve when he moved up in weight, Mosley did improve by going back down in weight.

I think that negates part of the argument (at least to me) about how impressive it was for Mayweather to move up.

 

Ahhh , in case you forgot because this seems to be the theme of the day , IT WAS ALSO OSCAR'S 5TH DIVISION AS WELL ... :doh:
That seems to be overlooked so easy as if Oscar started at 154 .. :nono:

 

All of the arguments for Cotto make sense, and I don't dispute any of them. I'm just shocked that my vote stood in the way of what would otherwise be a shutout for Cotto.

 

Considering each fight , you should give a bigger "E" ... :: ::

 

yeah but oscar's been 154 and higher for most of the decade - from 2001 on. There's a big difference between growing into your 5th division for the past six years, and moving up for a one-and-done.

 

Final grade for Effort:
Cotto - E
Floyd - M-

Happy now?

 

He's older then PBF ...

So you are saying that DLH is better at 154 now then when he first moved to 154 simply because he has been there longer ??
C'mon Jake , we both know he was better when he first moved to 154.
Same applys to Mayweather ...

Also , lets not forget , when it comes to weighing in for a pro fight , DLH actually weighed in less then PBF did in their respective start of their careers ...

 

I might as well start replying to you in another language, because what I type and how you interpret such posts never seem to be one and the same.

 

Both won clearly despite what some idiots claim.

I would go with Floyd.

Why?

- 1st fight in his 5th Weight Division. Clearly his worst weight class ever.
- When they got to the ring, Oscar probably carried a 15-20 lbs advantage.
- Beat a 34 year old DLH.
- Finished the fight stronger.
- Won despite adversity (Gloves types, ring size, crowd)

Cotto:

- Was in his absolute prime at his best weight.
- Was at no weight disadvantage at all.
- Beat a 36 year old Mosley.
- Did not finish strong.
- Had the crowd for him.

 

I went with Floyd over Oscar but just like the Calazghe-Kessler/Hopkins-Tarver thread it's very close and i can see why people would pick one over the other.

Even though Oscar is clearly past his best and a part time fighter, it was still a solid win for Mayweather, especially considering it was @ 154.

I guess to me that's the tie-breaker. If Mosley was Cotto's first opponent at welter it would be different.

 

I cant wait until PBF gets KTFO. Anyway let me put my hate aside for a minute here. Mosley had more left in my opinion. First off he came off a pretty good streak beating Vargas and the other PR dude which was in his prime.