Who is the biggest Fraud in boxing today?

Please no haters in here throwing around names like Mayweather, Vitali or Abraham. I'm talking real frauds who really act in the worst possible way picking their opponents and career moves.


My Vote goes to Anthony "the pioneer" Mundine, who will now take on Robert Medley now for the IBO light middleweight title, because his fighting a string of bums strategy in his OWN weightclass becomes too dangerous.

 

Mundine
Chavez Jr

 

Mundine is a GRADE A SHITBIRD.

This guy said was going to avenge the Danish cartoon thing by......beating up on little Sam Soliman, who happens to be a natural 154lbr and is from Egypts Coptic Christian minority.

The fact that Dane Mikkel Kessler was available but too fucking dangerous was conveniently overlooked by the Aussie media, who routinely drink from the same well of delusion as Mundane.

Kessler was Danish, which would have been perfect. Unfortunately he was also a 168lb fighter and had Mundanes number, so they went after the little fella instead.

 

I will not be censored.

PBF has fought some good competition. There's no doubt about it. But what people need to realize is there's two components to fraud. The first, of course, is a fighter's level of competition. In and of itself, however, level of competition does not determine fraudulence. It must be considered in conjunction with the "perceived" greatness of the fighter.

For example, it's not accurate to say Chavez Jr. is a fraud because hardly anyone thinks for a minute that he's any good. And so he's not fooling anyone by taking on crap competition all of the time.

Likewise, although PBF has faced and beaten some good fighters, he's done so under unique circumstances, that in every case, were to his advantage. And he's consistently shyed away from what are perceived as his greatest threats.

And so while PBF has indeed beaten some good fighters, enough to have some wonder how anyone in his right mind could refer to him as a fraud, he's held in such high esteem by most, as being so great, that his accomplishments actually pale in comparison to his perceived abilities.

I'll give you an example: the best welterweight PBF has beaten is ODH. And he barely beat him. And it was an old ODH, who didn't even fight particularly well in the contest.

And yet, The Ring magazine writes in their latest issue that PBF would go 15 rounds with SRR and possibly win a decision. Pushed, the Ring says that SRR would probably take a close one, but that PBF could win.

Next, they claim PBF would beat Henry Armstrong, Napoles, Emille Griffith, and Basillio.

Based on what? Maybe he could. But he's certainly given no indication of it. What does a welterweight fighter today have to do to be givena shot at beating the best welterweights from a bygone era? Beat, and more importantly, face, the best welterweights of his own era. PBF has failed shamelessly to do this. And yet, somehow there's indication he'd beat Henry Armstrong?

That is a fraud. PBF is a fraud.

 

New York Jewish fighters are always good at this, Mundine is a splendid idea too as mentioned above,.. Zsolt Erdei and Jurgen Braehmer are doing Europe proud, and a special mention to a particular individual who's talked his way into being an exciting refreshing monster that makes the Brits squeal like Fraud-groupies, it's the dancing fixer,.. David "James J Jeffries" Haye ofcourse.

 

Haye wants the money, I think he has already basically shit on his own legacy, he just wants money.

 

What legacy is that? It's not like Haye had anything to lose by running like a bitch from both Klitsckhos.

 

Just what REED Wanted for Christmas...Another TIRADE from DOUB...



REED::

 

I don't see how the answer can be anything but JC Chavez Jr. This guy is a sideshow act living off his name. He has had nearly 50 fights for fucks sake

 

Of Course it Is, but Leave it to DOUB to Channel his ANGST Towards a Guy that's Won World Titles from 130-154....



REED:shit:

 

Gloss over Chavez Jr but shit of PBF. Classic Double L.

 

Nobody's calling Chavez anything but awful. He doesn't have a title belt. He's not on anyone's pound for pound list. How in the hell can he be a fraud? Do you know what a fraud is?

Chavez is awful and I can't stand him being on my TV against crap competition. But it's not like anyone is fooled by his game.

With PBF, lots of people are fooled. Including yourself.

 

Inability to apply properly the definition of a word: classic Joe Queen.

 

Another fraud is Trinidad and Margarito. Take away their hand-wraps and they couldn't do shit.

I'm on board, though, with those who think steroids are just as bad. Illegal hand-wraps may seem more primitive and brutal, but steroids, IMO, are just as much cheating and showing disregard for an opponent's well-being as loaded gloves are.

 

He ran like a bitch from Valuev too, quite literally, out of all the titles he was inexplicably awarded a shot at, based on overwelming demand that the Klitschko's couldn't ignore, Haye chose to hide behind Chagaev's bravery, and depended on the WBA and Sauerland/King, to strip thier title away from that unification fight at the last minute, and have them hand it to him by way of a pre-determined outcome and a co-promotional deal.

He still remains the 'refreshing heavyweight saviour' who recieves hysterical attention from the US and especially, the relentless British media and why that is, has everything to do with primitive, personal inhibitions or fetishes. This makes Haye one of the biggest Fraud's in boxing, not many would argue with you about Erdei, Brahmer, Mundine, Chavez jr and all who have been mentioned thus far,... but you'll get plenty of posters trying to defend Haye, and that just further solidifies his position as one of the top frauds in boxing.

 

REED, why do you think Doub calls a fraud "a Guy that's Won World Titles from 130-154....", yet he doesn't call the same thing a certain fighter (let's just call him A.M.) who was caught loading his gloves?
Do you think it has something to do with Doub being blind supporter of A.M.?

 

How is REED "Fooled" by Floyd???...UNTIL he Got to Welterweight, he was Pretty Much BEYOND Reproach...The Last Few Years have Definitely Been QUESTIONABLE...But Now Floyd's BACK from "Retirement" & about to Engage in THE BIGGEST Fight in Boxing History...But REED ALREADY Knows that U'll STILL B BITCHING In the Aftermath of that Bout...That's ALWAYS Been Your LAME Ass M.O:shit:...

Chavez Jr. has MORE Fights than Floyd Mayweather Does...He's Actually Taking Up PPV Space & T.V. Time...Yet he HASN'T Even Fought a Top 50 Opponent in ANY Weight Class...Who's the FRAUD???...The Guy that's Actually ACCOMPLISHED Something or the Guy LINING His Pockets, Living Off of his Daddy's Name???


REED:hammert:

 

How about Shane Mosley knowlingly taking a sports enhancer that was undetectable by the feds.

 

2 Different Issues...Tito's Case was a GAUZE Issue...Tooo Much, Tooo Little, Whatever...But @ NO Point was he Caught LOADING his Handwraps...PLACING Foreign Substances In your Handwraps is ANOTHER Matter Entirely....

Tito & Margarito AREN'T Even in the Same League...

REED:hammert:

 

abraham.

 

It Remains to B Seen How GOOD Abraham Is, but he's ALREADY Proven that he ISN'T a "Fraud"...



REED:hammert:

 

LEVEL's of FRAUDULENCE...

1. Sven Ottke
2. Hector Camacho Jr.
3. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

1 of these 3 about COVERS It...

REED:hammert:

 

Picking Floyd over Robinson, Armstrong, Napoles, and Griffith is pure lunacy! Hell I wouldnt even pick him over Pryor, and Chavez.

Its all relative to how you rate Floyd. Considering what The Ring said about him, to call him overrated would be fair... but the term "fraud" shouldnt be used on great fighters.

A true "fraud" is someone like Micheal Grant. A fighter who gets a huge amount of hype, and turns out to be crap.

 

Layers and layers of tape over the top of the knuckles you mean?...he created a solid ridge, much like that of some brass knucks, it evidentally damaged his victims badly, very badly, and I can't wait for another "Who's career did Tito ruin the worst?" thread.

Reed please, stop trying to differentiate between cheating scum, it seems the difference between a cheating scum and a hero, is in some quarters, because one was mexican, and one was Puerto Rican, in other quarters it's because he embarrassed Fraud all the way through 2006, whereas Tito didn't. :crafty:

 

Abraham

 

Micheal Grant is a good example.

I think John Ruiz is a fraud too.

 

abraham?

 

Jose Luis Castillo....with someone on his team w/ their foot under the scale to allow him to campaign at 135 when he was a welterweight...and even then he was losing to those guys...

 

There is no way Ottke should be in there, none at all. He was an outstanding boxer who fought and beat a lot of decent fighters...the simple fact of the matter is that getting in the ring with Glen Johnson, Tate, Butler, Brewer, Mitchell etc and not getting knocked out is proof enough that the guy was, at worst, ring competent.

Winning those fights is proof he was a genuine fighter. I mean, the guy KO'd Mundine. With one punch. And he couldnt punch. So his technique must have been down. Kessler didnt do that. Sam Soliman didnt do that Danny Green didnt do that Are they frauds by proxy too? Because they are on Wards, Winkys and Jones resume.

Ottke also had an extensive AMMY rep. Competed at 3 Olympic games and holds amateur wins over Antonio Tarver, Chris Byrd, Michael Moorer, Zsolt Erdei and Juan Carlos Gomez.

Thats some fraudulence right there alright!:crafty:



A real fraud, a fraud of the magnitude of say 2 of the fighters on your list would have gotten sparked out cold by that caliber of opponent. Mitchell had Joe Calzaghe down. He knocked out Frank Liles. He lost to Ottke.

People can trot out the old "You never win in Germany" deal all they want...{not saying YOU will, but there are others}....Fast Eddie Chambers, David Haye, Gonzalez, Viv Harriss, all non-white non-house fighters who went to Germany and won decisions in the recent past.

Just my $0.02. Was Ottke entertaining? Nope. But he wasn't a "fraud" either.