Despite the box-office revenue generated by Tyson which clearly blew away anything generated by Lewis during their respective pro careers, who in your view gave more bang for the ppv buck when all was said and done, now that their careers are over? Forget all the fight hype and trash-talking crap, which of these guys gave you value for your money based on the actual QUALITY of their fights? To jog your memory, let's look at the best quality fights both these guys had to offer and then make your pick. We'll judge the fights AFTER both men won titles: Tyson's fights: Berbick, Bonecrusher, Thomas, Tucker, Biggs, Holmes, Tubbs, Spinks, Bruno, Williams, Douglas, Tillman, Stewart, Ruddock, McNeely, Mathis Jr, Bruno II, Holyfield, Holyfield II, Botha, Norris, Francis, Savarese, Golota, Nielson, Etienne, Williams, McBride. Judging from this list, a very good level of opposition and some good fights, but alot of fights I think not very good at all with alot of tune ups involved, alot of early 1 round blowouts, and likely alot of people thinking "Damn, I paid $60 for THAT!!!" Can't say I was happy with Tyson/Savarese, Tyson/McNeely or Tyson/Norris.:dunno: Lewis' fights: Tucker, Bruno, Jackson, McCall, Butler, Fortune, Morrison, Mercer, McCall II, Akinwande, Golota, Briggs, Mavrovic, Holyfield, Holyfield II, Grant, Botha, Tua, Rahman I, Rahman II, V Klitschko. Some good fights there but again, similar to Tyson, alot of rubbish too which probably caused some people to regret buying the fights. Lewis/Tua was pretty sh*t, as was Lewis/Akinwande. Who do you think put out the less-shittier fights considering all the hype and ppv charges? If not ppv charges, then charges in general regarding your subscription to HBO and Showtime to see big time boxing? LOL!
It's a tossup between HBO and Bob Arum. I've learned the error of my ways though, as now I feel in my heart that no fight, absolutely none, is worth me spending over 40 bucks. Especially if I have the oppurtunity to see it later.
Probably Tyson, but I never paid for any of his PPV fights until the end of his career, I got them through a scrambler. The only one I'd say he really robbed me of my money was McBride. Even the Danny Williams fight was entertaining although Mike quit. On the other hand, I didn't pay for any of the PPV fights with Lewis except for his fight with Tyson.
Lewis' PPV fights were against: Tucker (with McClellan-Jackson I on the undercard, as well as Chavez) Golota (with 1997 Fight of the Year Gatti-Ruelas on the undercard) Holy I (Crap undercard, crap fight) Holy II (better than the first fight; forget who was on the undercard) Grant (decent undercard, mismatch main event, though Lewis shouldn't be penalized for that) Tua (shit fight, great undercard) Rahman II (decent undercard, great revenge knockout in lopsided main event) Tyson (shit undercard, pretty much the fight we expected in the main event) I forget what Tyson fights were PPV pre-Ruddock, so starting from there: Ruddock I (good fight, great undercard including Brown-Blocker, Chavez, and Pat Lawlor's upset over Roberto Duran) Ruddock II (good fight, very good undercard including Fenech-Nelson I) McNeeley (joke of an event, decent undercard - the official end of Julian Jackson's run as a top middleweight, MAGO-Lamar Murphy) Bruno II (joke of a main event, but serving its purpose with Tyson collecting paper title; decent undercard including the return of Ricardo Lopez, and Christy Martin officially putting women's boxing - or at least herself - on the map with her 6 round war against Deidre Gogarty; also Holmes-Q. Taylor in a pure slugfest as the walkout bout) Seldon (joke of a main event, shit undercard with Martin, Tito and Norris in shitty showcase bouts) Holy I (historically significant, but an ending that was much better than the fight as whole; decent undercard, Moorer-Botha was enteraining, Akinwande was watchable against Zolkin) Holy II (shitty night for boxing, undercard sucked) Botha (classic one-punch knockout in a fight Mike was otherwise losing and exposed as a has-been; so-so undercard) Golota (Mike came to fight, Golota didn't; shitty undercard, save for Jose Luis Juarez getting robbed of a knockout against Alex Trujillo) Lewis (already mentioned above) Williams (whoever paid for this fight deserved to get ripped off; shitty undercard) McBride (see Williams) Tyson naturally generated more excitement, but ironically enough, the one time boxing savior did (along with Don King) far more harm than good to the sport once he was released from prison. The only shitty card Lewis was involved in from top to bottom was the first Holy fight. He never had any McNeely/Williams/McBride type fights on PPV. You can argue that the Grant and Golota fights had no business coming with a PPV price tag, but Grant was at the time regarded as a top contender (even if overhyped) and Golota was considered a threat based off his two drubbings of Bowe, even though coming out 0-2 in the end. As someone who looks beyond the main event when considering whether or not to purchase a PPV, Lewis' cards gave me my money's worth more so than Tyson, even if the main events didn't quite excite. Pre-prison Tyson almost always gave you your money's worth; the post-prison version was perhaps the greatest con ever pulled off in the sport. So, I say Lewis
Oscar De La Hoya is catching up, with all his PPV fights that were mediocre (although he's had some good ones as well) and some of the crappy PPVs he promotes. Barrera-Fana? "Marco is a legend. You should have to pay to see a legend fight"
damn, actually I misread the question. Obviously my answer was Lewis' cards offered more quality. To specifically answer your question, Tyson (post-prison) undoubtedly robbed us the most of our PPV dollars. As Erratic said, Oscar is quickly closing the gap, though.
that's what i can't stand about ODH's PPVs. apparently, he thinks he's so popular and such a pleasure to watch that he doesn't have to bother putting on a decent under-card when he fights. more often than not, the undercards of his shows, at least on paper, suck.
With the exception of the Vargas and first Mosley fight, DLH's big ppv fights have been relatively dogsh*t. But that's just my opinion. The build up is fun though.:clap:
i don't agree with this. his fights are almost always exciting. he doesn't go head to head like Gatti because he's not a shit fighter. but with the exception of the tito fight, he's not running either.
They're so-so. They often suck when you watch it again but while it happens they're usually close and suspenseful enough to keep me into it. Whitaker: mediocre fight, but very close and competitive. Camacho: haven't seen this one in years Rivera: alright, one-sided fight Chavez II: supposed to be a mismatch, but surprisingly entertaining and fairly competitive Quartey: alright, action-wise it mostly sucked but it was at least close and suspenseful with 2 very good rounds Trinidad: mediocre fight, a big let-down Mosley I: good, entertaining fight Castilllejo: dull fight Vargas: excellent fight, the most exciting of Oscar's career Campas: so-so fight, basically what you expected, Campas being a punching bag Mosley II: alright, picked up in the last 4 rounds as Mosley came on stronger Sturm: surprisingly entertaining Hopkins: mediocre fight Mayorga: entertaining beatdown Mayweather: I thought it was decent and enjoyable enough, it surpassed my expectations and especially my worries about it, but lots of others seem to disagree and think it sucked.
Well I'm saying moreso the replay value. True, when you're watching it live, then even Lewis/Tua can keep my attention, especially when you know there's a chance somebody might get hit with a huge haymaker.
I know you don't agree but I wasn't talking about the quality of the fights but the quality of the match-ups, in recent years, only the Mayweather fight interested me.
