Who was the bigger puncher?

And I don't mean relatively speaking, I mean bigger period. There is no way to actually measure it so I'd like to hear your opinions. And before tambody asks about my agenda, it is to think how much size actually matters in boxing.

So, a great small fighter who put his body behind his shots exceptionally well or a big fellow with bit clumsy techniques but plenty of natural strength. What do you think?

 

Golota punched harder, no question. When he put everything on his right-hand, it was devastating. Too bad he had such a fcked up psyche. He was a pleasure to watch when his head was right.

 

Marciano.

Marciano could ruin a fighters arms just by hitting them.

Marciano had one of the hardest pairs of hands on a heavyweight fighter ever. His fists were like rocks. He hurt everything he hit.

Golota was bigger and way more fluid, with a solid amateur background, this allowed him to parlay his size into power. But Rocky was simply physically constructed to do damage. Massive hard hands, short strong forearms and a wide back and thick legs meant he just dished out punishment.

 

I disagree. And I'd add that other than perhaps a comparison to Maskaev, I doubt those words could ever be used to describe Golota against any other heavyweight who has held a title.

 

:notallthere: and goodbye.....

 

I never saw Golota as a HUGE puncher...just a heavy handed guy. So marciano for me.

 

Golota never was a huge puncher. He was a great boxer with good power and no brains. Marciano was pure unadulterated hitter, with the tools for causing blunt force trauma.

 

If it was Tyson vs Marciano or Lennox Lewis vs Marciano or Foreman vs Marciano or Wlad vs Marciano the answers would be easy...NOT marciano in any case.

But Golota?

Gimme the Brockton Blockbuster...

 

Golota wasn't fluid? WTF? When he was in his prime, he boxed like a middle-weight. After he got in his car accident, he was never really the same. But he was on his toes and throwing combinations against Grant. And he looked damn good against Witherspoon too.

 

I know. But dont waste your time with these people.:bangh::bangh::bangh:

 

Golota is as stiff as a freaking rock 'em sock 'em robot. They can throw combinations, too. Look at how he throws his punches--he never turns his hands over. He is like Frankenstein's monster.

If he has ever been on his toes, it's to reach the supplements on the top shelf.

"Byrd vs. Golota? The crafty, elusive southpaw vs. the stiff, quick-tempered Foul Pole?" http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2004/apr/15/byrd-and-golota-prep-for-entertaining-bout/

"I finally watched this fight today & thought Golota looked to muscular. He is gettin to big all he needs are a few shitty tattoos & he can be a MMA fighter. He was stiffer & more robotic than ever." and "Golota :doh::doh: He's also too stiff. He will be submitted fairly fast against a decent opponent " http://www.boxingbb.com/showthread.php?tid=2710&pid=78345#pid78345

"I dont know abou that, he was a stong fighter buy he was very robotic and lacked rythm. He was competitive cause of his stregnth and decent speed, not so much technique though imo." http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/29377-andrew-golota.html

"I love cheering for the crazy bastard, but Golota has looked horrible in his comeback. I've never seen a fighter look more like a robot. " http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=562356

 

Golota boxed like a Middleweight? I must've missed those fights.

 

golota has NEVER knocked out anyone noteworthy. in fact, he has ZERO significant wins over a top fighter.

he was a big strong dude w/ decent power, but he was never a great one-punch knock out artist even against sub-par opponents.

 

He is a lot bigger, though. His muscles are bigger, & he is a modern-era fighter. He even weighs more. Isn't that reason enough?

 

this is akin to comparing wayne alexander and someone like kostya tszyu except alexander could actually punch and knock guys out cold. golota was a terrible finisher unless he goes below the belt.

 

Just look at THE PUNCH in his fight with Walcott, who had a good beard.

Golota was probably bigger and stronger but Marciano was the more TECHNICAL puncher delivering more impact with the WAY he threw punches.

 

What is up with the massive Golota overration lately?

 

Yeah, in many cases the guy that has bigger muscles is stronger than the other guy since the power of a muscle is comparative with its size. That is kind of why we have weight classes and why Marciano wouldn't be licensed to fight at heavyweight these days

 

Except that bodytorque & punch-positioning accounts for power far more than weight-training & bicep measurements ever will.

 

exactly, which is pretty much why I made the goddamn thread:bangh:

 

Yes there's a correlation between size and strength. The naturally bigger the man...the tendency that he's naturally stronger. There are of course many exceptions to that rule..but it is the trend..hence the need for weigh classes.

Primo Carnera outweighed Joe Louis in excess of 60 pounds I believe. No ONE in their right mind would call Carnera a harder puncher than Louis. Same with Dempsey vs Willard.

So it's not JUST weight...although weight helps.

Marciano hits harder than Golota IMHO....

 

In this regard, Marciano was pure puncher. A guy whose entire mantra was PUNCH POWER. He had the physique and he trained accordingly. I mean, he routinely KO'd guys who had weight advantages over him, and that is rare, anyways. Everything about his physique and his regimen suggested that he was a guy who trained for power. I doubt Golota spent round after round on a 200lb+ heavy bag. Marciano's trainer used to even come up with special bags for him, like that boiler bag that rocky would duck under and throw uppercuts at.

Modifying a bag for Golota usually involved garments of some description, like shorts.:boohoo:

 

Easily Marciano. Despite the size differance, Rocky was quite clearly the more heavy handed, damaging puncher.

Golota wasnt particularly heavy handed. He was able to hurt guys, and score stoppages early on because he had good handspeed and timing for a man his size. Once his handspeed diminished, you saw even guys like Orlin Norris going the distance with him.

Whereas as Irish said.... Rocky was just build like a hitter, and despite his lack of speed had extremely heavy hands.

 

P4P, Marciano

but he was 185 pounds and heavy handed... Golota was what, 235? And Golota could crack a bit too, I think he'd have to be LITERALLY the harder puncher

But Marciano was a furious fighter with endless determination and toughness and Golota was a front-running vagina

 

I also think people are overrating Rock as a puncher, he was not generally a one-hit guy... he wasnt an Ernie Shavers, he was more of a Marvin Hagler... he hit hard enough to continously hurt guys but he usually had to break them down first... I mean I bet getting hit by Julio Cesar Chavez HURT more than getting hit by Edwin Rosario, but there is no question which guy was more likely to give you a concussion faster

 

Totally agree.

Physical strength != punching power.

 

Golota was a big strong guy, naturally strong and powerful, but his punching technique wasn't great. Even prime Golota threw strange, almost arm punches.

Even in a direct sense, I'd have to say the cruiserweight Marciano's punches had more sting on them.

Golota weighs 50 pounds more, but have you ever heard of someone called Mike Tyson? Surely <insert 265 pound heavyweight> hits harder than Mike?

I know I know, Tyson had freakish power, but still. I think Marciano was a good puncher, and his punches were better than the crazy pole's, even in a direct comparison.

 

Mike Tyson was 215-220 pounds and 5'11

Marciano was 185 and 5'11

Bringing Mike up makes no sense here

 

He was a lot closer to an Earnie Shavers than he was to a Marvin Hagler.