Worst fight strategies

Ruiz against Roy Jones

Comes in lighter than your usual weight and actually try to box with the smaller faster guy. Gets your nose shattered for your efforts.

Coralles against Castillo

Give up your advantages in height and reach and fight right where your opponent is best. Make sure you leave yourself open for some left hooks too while you're at it.

Hagler against Leonard

Switch to an orthodox stance and follow your quicker slicker opponent around. Don't start doing anything until half the fight is over.


List some more bad fight plans ...

 

I'm sure Ruiz's original strategy was to hump Roy into submission like he had all his other opponents but once Jay Nady came down on his ass he had no plan B to fall back on so he just sat there like a duck on a fairground target booth.

 

Trinidad/Hopkins-Throw your left hook for 12 rounds and hope you KHTFO:flip:

 

Winky against Vargas/Taylor - Throw away your patented defense that got you there, and instead brawl.

 

Sounds good, but it's when he stopped brawling that he actually started to lose rounds in both fights.

Winky would have been a scary good fighter if he ever had some pop.

 

I don't know - if it was, then why did he make such a concentrated effort to come in so light?

Whiskey, I don't know if I agree on Corrales-Castillo. Never could I envision the scenario where Chico gets away with "just" boxing, like say in the rematch against Casamayor, and expecting to keep Castillo off of him for 12 rounds. Hell, it barely worked against Casamayor, for that matter.

It may seem crazy, but I couldn't picture Chico beating Castillo any other way than how he did in the first fight.

 

Yeah but Wink won the Taylor fight clearly in my mind.

 

I thought he won the Vargas fight as well. But I agree with NobleArt in that it's when Wink actually reverted to old form that he lost ground in both of those fights.

 

Ah, but the quicker to clutch you with my dear Jakey. :nono:

That, and Ruiz and Stoney are both retards. Only way to possibly explain it.

 

Tito against Winky:

Round 1: Keep your lead foot inside. Eat punch.
Round 2: Keep your lead foot inside. Eat punch.
Repeat for 10 more rounds. Do NOT follow conventional wisdom under any circumstances.

 

1. Good example
2. Bad example
3. Good example

Who has Corrales ever out-boxed aside from Casa who was spooked as hell by his power?

Corrales tried in spots to use his height. It didn't work. In fact, it left him even more vulnerable since he could more easily be caught out of position and hit with things he wasn't expecting.

Other examples:

1. ODH/PBF - abandon your jab and forfeit your height and reach advantage. And this, unlike Corrales, from an accomplished boxer.

2. RJJ/Tarver III - allow Tarver to control the pace and rest up while he dials you in; meanwhile you do zero scoring.

3. Joppy/Trinidad - stand in front of Tito with your hands down and think a pitty-pat jab is gonna save you - this isn't Cherifi Joppy, this it Tito

4. Forrest/Mayorga I&II - back straight up all night against a looping wild puncher who's biggest weakness is his defense and inability to fight going backwards.

5. Gainer/JMM - take a fight with JMM and go in thinking you're going to be able to avoid getting hit.

 

Great examples. I could never figure out how Forrest could lose to this guy...................TWICE! :doh:

 

Foreman against Ali.

 

that's a good one. there's no doubt Foreman would've had more success trying to set up a big right hand with his jab, or catching Ali coming in. and even if he didn't win, he certainly would not have collapsed from exhaustion the way he did.

here's some others IMO:

1. Holyfield/Bowe III: barring issues with conditioning or injuries, Holyfield's approach of trying to knock Bowe out, rather than win rounds as he clearly demonstrated the ability to do in the second fight, seemed pretty ill-advised.

2. Toney/Jirov: most people seem to disagree but I thought Jirov's Barleyesque approach of trying to swarm Toney was exactly the approach he should NOT have taken. He was having more success landing from mid-distance and was able to land his left to the body from farther away. Brooks was the one who said he had to swarm Toney. I think that was stupid.

3. Judah/Witter: if only Witter had known how mentally fragile Judah is and weathered the storm instead of running all night and giving Judah the confidence and space he needed to actually win a 12 round decision.

4. Cotto/Torres: simple case of reckless abandonment on the part of Cotto: squaring up, loading up, leading to the body, giving the dangerous Colombian all the chances he needed to do a job on Cotto before finally losing a war of attrition.

5. Julio/Quintana: nobody's that good a boxer. Julio just plain didn't adjust. He threw the same shit all night. same rhtyhm. and was utterly predictable.

6. N'dou/Paulie: his corner allowed the ref to break it everytime the two got close. if nothing else, his corner should've raised a huge stink in order that they be allowed to fight inside.

 

Let me explain Corrales-Castillo. I'm not saying Chico could just sit on the outside and use a long jab and box. He's not a boxer. I'm just saying he was much too willing to let Castillo get right up close where he's most effective. For his height Corrales is a great in-fighter, but he didn't haver to fight on those terms so willingly (thankfully for us boxing fans he did but that's another story)

There were times in the first fight when Chico was landing bombs on Castillo from range and Castillo wasn't able to counter. If he used distance better he might have been able to win without sustaining so much punishment.

 

Three is a great example of a stupid fight plan. I remember even before the fight Joppy talking about how he was the bigger man and that he would show Tito what it was like to face a true middleweight.

 

i see it as the exact opposite. it was Castillo's willingness to stand in that lost him the first fight. even Chavez said so in the interview just prior to the second fight - that Castillo needed to use more distance. and that's what he did actually in the rematch.

Corrales may have been tall, but his wobbly legs and piss-poor balance were too big a liability for him to stay outside. plus, as tall as he was his arms really weren't very long.

not to mention, his best punches were always the short, little COMBO ones he could throw only on the inside.

 

That was what was strange about the fight. Oscar always has had a great fight plan going in against just about everyone he's faced. Usually his problem has been sticking too closely to the plan rather than making adjustments in a tough fight.

Against Mayweather things were close, and he abandons his jab that was having sucesss earlier. It made no sense at all. That's like a dog following around a cat without threatening to bite. You'll end up getting tattooed.

 

i think ODH needed to forget about hurting PBF, and focus instead on using his height and reach to hit jab the shit out of PBF, with an occasional counter left-hook, or long right hand, if and when PBF retreated to the ropes, or got brave.

I mean literally, PBF just had no answer for ODH's jab. almost every jab ODH landed, landed clean and went unanswered by PBF. in fact, PBF started with his smiley shit because he was so humiliated by it. so what does ODH do? he stops throwing it? and then offers up as an explanation that it wasn't the night of the jab? WTF!!!

the more i go over it in my mind, the more fishy that whole event seems to me. and it's not like i'm leaning one way or the other as to who let whom win. i mean, for all of ODH's mistakes, let's not forget about the fact that seemingly, PBF was more interested in hitting ODH on the gloves than anywhere else.

it's almost as if the two decided they'd make it close. like they had an agreement not to dominate the other.

the only thing is, ODH did let loose with a few shots that clearly were meant to end the fight, and so that doesn't reconcile fully, unless part of the agreement was that KO's were ok.

"ok. we're allowed to KO each other. but neither of you can win a lop-sided decision. so, oscar, if your jab starts working, you'll have to stop throwing it. and PBF, if you start landing any right hands, go ahead and miss with 5 of them in a row and then proceed to hit nothing but gloves for the rest of the round. but if either of you get the chance, go ahead and knock the other the fk out."

:dunno:

 

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ODLH against Sturm. Go out bombing in round 1, throw over 100 punches and then get your face jabbed off the rest of the fight. Luckily for him the judges were already in the bag.

 

Agreed. Oscar probably figured Sturn was there to lay down so he wanted to look impressive in getting a knockout.

 

UH, actually, ODH fought the best fight he possibly could've to beat a 6' + light heavy-weight with fast but feather-fisted hands. what's he gonna do? take him from the outside? no. he out-worked him. and tamed him with fierce aggression, the likes of which he hadn't experienced before in his young career. it was a smart plan on ODH's part. and it worked. he landed the harder blows, and threw more punches. that's what he needed to do.

 

De La Hoya should've fought the first Mosley fight like he did the 2nd one.

I guess he and his team thought they could overpower Mosley, who had less experience @ the weight.

For all his skills, DLH sometimes makes critical tactical errors in fights. I guess with Trinidad it was more a fatigue thing and maybe he really did have to run, but it sure seemed like bad strategy in the last 3 and a half rounds.

 

A guy with ODLH's stamina does not need to come out throwing over 100 punches in round 1. NO, it did not work either. Sturm fought how he always fights. He was pretty conservative but landed the VAST majority of clean punches and CLEARLY outpointed ODLH. The judges saved ODLH though, luckily enough for him. I guess eating jabs in vegas wins fights. LOL @ anyone who scored that fight for ODLH.

 

oscar went in there and tried to knock Sturm out in the first round. He probably thought he was fighting some bum and it was apparent that he also didn't train as hard as he could've.

regardless, if oscar was gonna fight his way, he would've stunk it out for the first few rounds then got outjabbed anyhow.

 

Holyfield also brawled too much in the first Bowe fight.

Maybe Holyfield's case of HGH-itis hurt his stamina and he had little choice but to try to stop Bowe.

 

I really don't think Oscar won that fight.
However I wouldn't laugh at anyone who did though. Lets face it , Oscar did a lot of body work. Dlh would land 3 body shots and then get his head popped back by a jab.
IMO its up for debate as to who got the better of an exchange like that.

I think DLH thought Sturum had shit stamina and he thought he would tire him out. I think that was his game plan.

 

Oscar did a lot of shoeshining and punching below the scoring area. That's what I saw.