Vitali Klitschko v Joe Frazier

Vitali - 250lb
Joe - 205lb

Any takers?

 

Vitali would have to stop Frazier within 5.

Down the stretch, Joe would take his soul. As Larry Merchant once famously said, Frazier was a "truth machine". And I think the TRUTH about BOTH Klit sisters is they weren't nearly as good as their hype and were simply rulers of the worst heavyweight era we'll ever see.

Plus, I don't care how much bigger Vitali was, if Joe landed that hook enough times, Vitali WOULD go. Frazier's hook was fully capable of KOing a 250 pound man.

I don't see Vitali being able to duplicate what George did.

In all honesty, I see the 71 Frazier fucking him up and taking him out late.

 

Frazier would win a dec I think. Vitaly sucked against guys who were good on the inside. He wasn't able to land consitently on guys who bob and weaved like Byrd and chisora, and frazier was a master bobber and weaver.

 

Oh you guys have been talking to cdogg!!!
A conspiracy!!! ::

 

It's why I feel it's a joke when people suggest Vitali might have a chance with the 80's Tyson. Mike was far too quick and too good at closing the distance for that goofy sonuvabitch.

 

Frazier makes him quit on his stool in the late rounds. Vitali was a good fighter, but I'm not convinced he could handle the MENTAL PRESSURE of fighting 3 minutes of every round with Frazier in his chest. Joe would smoke him, pun intended.

Vitali would give it a go but he had some give I'm him. Frazier would bring it out.

 

Yeah, Frazier jabs and moves his way to a comfortable decision

 

Vitali wins a tough-fought UD. I think it's the heavyweights who can match Vitali for size like Lennox and Bowe that give him hell, barring a couple of exceptions like Tyson etc.

 

Vitali is too big for Frazier, not just in terms of weight but also in terms of height and reach. Frazier never lands the left hook if Vitali fights tall. Beside even if he did land Vitali took FLUSH Lennox Lewis punches without being fazed and Lewis hit harder than Frazier.

 

But Lewis doesn't PRESSURE or WORK like Frazier does round by round. Joe would force Vitali to fight up close for 3 min. of every round and I don't see him being able handle that.

 

Vitali would prove too big and too powerful. Vitali may not be as powerful or as intense as Foreman, but he's big and strong (much bigger than Foreman was) and he'll just have to bully the smaller fighter. I don't trust Joe's chin to take his punches for too long.

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with Joe's chin, and Vitali for his size is not what I would call a big puncher. He tends to 'arm punch' a lot, and I think Frazier's head movement is the key to slipping that and pounding away at the body and the head for 12 rounds. Plus, Vitali couldn't even take out and old, fat, disinterested Lewis. And he was breathing hard after just 6 rounds of that. I can only imagine how tired he'd be with Smokin Joe on him making him work hard every single round. Kirk Johnson, Frazier is not.

 

Vitali doesn't have to knock him out with one punch or anything. I think it will be a slow and steady beating, purely on size. Frazier just won't be able to get enough rounds in the bag.

 

Way too much emphasis being placed on Frazier's three fighta with Ali (as usual) ::

Klitschko would fucking toy with Frazier.

 

Ugly fight, but Vitaly wins a close UD

 

But who's Vitali "toyed with" that's close to Frazier?

 

That's irrelevant if he never had the opportunity to fight somebody that good. Yes you could say Lewis but he fights nothing like Frazier and poses a completely different set of problems.

 

Frazier is just better. More proven. Vitali's rep is based entirely on a losing effort against the most unmotivated, out of shape Lennox Lewis ever seen and a good string of wins against utter rubbish. I'm not saying Vitali is crap. I'm actually a fan of his and think he was very good. But Frazier would be in his chest for every minute of every round and I've seen nothing to suggest he might be able to handle that sort of controlled, skilled pressure. Joe was very vulnerable to hard hitting uppercutters. Vitali was neither especially hardhitting nor an uppercutter.

There are plenty of historical heavies I can see Vitali beating. His size and range would cause a lot of them a lot of problems. But Joe isn't one of them.

MTF

 

Vitali wins.

Sure, take it at base value, Frazier should be too tough, too hard, too fit, etc.

But Joe got hit a lot by far lesser men and hurt a lot by far lesser men.

Superficially, if Joe is still there after 5 rounds, he wins the fight.

Dig a little deeper, and ask yourself...........how badly hurt would Joe have been by then.

Plenty hurt.

His balance and footwork would have been sorely reduced by then and that gives Vitali the space he needs to measure, time those check hooks and those weird right-hookercuts he threw.

OVer 12 , I can see Vitali winning a decision and possibly dropping Joe.

 

Nope, not for me. Joe was vulnerable to powerful guys. Vitali isn't particularly powerful, especially for a guy his size. He threw a lot of arm punches. I don't think he can keep Joe off.

MTF

 

I think it's a matter of physics.

Consider Geroge Foreman next to Wlad, who's a tad smaller than Vitali:



Then consider the size difference between Foreman and Frazier:



Then factor in that Vitali:

Fights tall
Has a solid chin.
Outweighs Frazier by 50 pounds
Approx 10" Reach advantage
Has a 95% KO percentage


Now size isn't everything in boxing...but in this case Vitali has too many advantages for Frazier to overcome.

 

Aye, that's one of the keys here ::

All of that is true enough, but you have to counter that with the fact that Frazier was perhaps the most effective inside fighter in the history of the division - both at getting insde and, once there, working inside. He'd get inside Vitali often IMO and cause him all sorts of shit when he got there.

MTF

 

Did he ever even get inside once on Foreman and do anything of note, other than get shoved off and hit in the chin :dunno:

 

Foreman is the absolute blueprint for beating Frazier. Uppercuts and juddering power. Vitali relies enormously on a jab and throws loads of arm punches. They are completely incomparable.

MTF

 

Vitali doesn't punch with power needed to keep Joe off him.

This isn't Corrie Sanders. Prime Joe would take Vitali into deep waters at a fast pace.

 

Vitali's power is somewhat underrated IMO. No he isn't a one-hitter quitter but he's a HURTFUL puncher. He hits hard enough to keep the opponent honest.

 

Word. He's no Lennox Lewis, but he has thudding power, kinda like a Riddick Bowe. Every punch hurts, even if it doesn't knock you out. He had more than enough power to have been able to keep Frazier honest at the very least.

 

Frazier couldnt even put away Bugner.

 

yup.