Hopkins will beat Pavlik, and here's why...

And no...it's not because Hopkins is black and Pavlik is white.

Pavlik is a very good fighter who hits hard has a decent chin and throws alot of punches...BUT

He's a straight forward one-dimensional fighter.

Some people seem to think that Calzaghe's workrate is what defeated hopkins. This is not true. It was Calzaghe's fluidity, unorthodoxy, SPEED, innovativeness as well as workrate that defeated Hopkins...and even then it was close.

If Bernard has ANYTHING left, he'd be too cunning for Pavlik and he'll figure him out very early indeed and frustrate that young man all night long.

Pavlik can be easily timed and he's predictable. Bernard is the exact opposite.

Also forget about Pavlik knocking Bernard out. You've got to know that this is impossible. Bernard is unknockoutable.

Hopkins W12

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

If I had to pick one, and only one, reason that Hopkins lost to Joe, I would say lack of stamina to keep up with Calzaghe's work rate was the biggest factor.

Bernard proved in the early going that he could make Joe miss, counter and stay out of harms way. As the fight wore on, Bernard did not have the stamina to keep it up.

At 452 years old do you really think Bernard's stamina will improve to the point he can keep up with the busy and STRONG Kelly Pavlik???

My money says no chance and Kelly flattens him late in the fight..( or Bernard punks out via DQ)

 

I see this as a very possible outcome and for the reasons you gave too

 

I agree! Not only will Hopkins win, he will win surprisingly easy!:bears:

 

Stamina was a factor against Calzaghe because of the way Joe Fights. Not because of joe's workrate per se. Against Pavlik he wouldn't have to expel as much energy because he'll limit Pavlik's workrate dude to his cunning spoiling tactics. Don't be surprised to see him drop Pavlik as well.

 

Pavlik is BASIC, Not "1-Dimensional"...It's HARD for REED to Refer to a Boxer/Puncher as "1-Dimensional"...

Pavlik's FAVORITE Combo is the Ol' 1-2, but he WILL Double & Sometimes TRIPLE Jab Prior to Firing the Straight/Overhand Rights...

& as Pavlik Gets CLOSER, there's NO Predictability to What he'll Throw...Hooks (Right & Left), DOUBLE Hooks, MORE Jabs, MORE Overhand Rights, Uppercuts, U NEVER Know...

MORE Important than Pavlik's Workrate is his PERSISTENCE...Even if Bernard IS Timing & Tagging Pavlik, he WON'T Deter him...From Bernard's Perspective, that's THE WORST Part...

Make NO Mistake, Brother SLY, Kelly Pavlik WILL Force a FASTER Pace on Bernard, than he's Had N SEVERAL Years, if Not EVER...& he'll Get Hit HARDER than he Did vs. Calzaghe...

If Bernard was Looking for a Way OUT after 10 Rounds w/Calzaghe, REED Can't See him Lasting the Distance w/Pavlik...

Pavlik TKO 12...

Again, Pavlik ISN'T "1-Dimensional", he's BASIC...& SLOW & Admittedly Rather EASY to Hit...But he's Got Tooooooo Much for TODAY's Version of Bernard Hopkins...

The Hopkins that Beat Tito would've SCHOOLED Pavlik...


REED:kidcool:

 

Pavlik Throws AS MANY Shots as Calzaghe Does Per Round, Only Pavlik Throws STRAIGHTER, HARDER Blows...

STYLISTICALLY, Pavlik's a TOUGHER Fight for Bernard than Calzaghe was...& Bernard Will Expel MORE Energy EVADING & KEEPING Pavlik Off of him, than he Did vs. Calzaghe...


REED:kidcool:

 

agREED.

Pavlik is one of the better punchers in the game when you're at the end of his punches. Very much like George Foreman with his slow clubbing power.

The "onliest" way I see Hopkins winning this fight is if he mugs Kelly like he mugged Keith Holmes in 2001. Outside of that, I see him backing off, staying out of harms way.

And as basic as Kelly is, he throws damn good uppercuts. With the way Hopkins bulls in with his head, I can see Kelly sitting on his shots, waiting for 'Nard to lean into one.

 

B.S. Pavlik is not the simplistic fighter you make him out to be. For one, he can fight inside as well as outside. Secondly, his 1-2 is not predictable. He times it differently all through the fight.

Third, Hopkins always has trouble with fighters he doesn't have a height advantage over.

Fourth, Pavlik's work-rate (and Calzaghe's) will be a factor in shutting down Hopkins' own offense.

 

Exactly. And we know, in this stage of Hopkins career, that he can't bull his way in the way he did against Holmes. Not to mention even if he did, Pavlik is a much better (and braver) fighter than Holmes, and can and will fight inside unlike Holmes who refused to fight inside playing into Hopkins' hit and hold tactics.

 

Good post brother Reed but consider...

Whether we use the term "basic" or "one-dimensional" the point is that Pavlik offers no surprises: he's conventional and pretty simplistic in his approach. he'll simply come after Hopkins and try to walk him down and knock him out.

Bernard's style can deal with such an animal. Hopkins would simply time him comeing in with lead right hands, tie him up inside, and spoil the fight every which way he knows how.

You see bernard couldn't do this as effectively against Calzaghe, because Joe has this innovative, fluid, light on his feet, extremely fast style...but Pavlik is more flatfooted, forward moving and throwing conventional punches.

Hopkins can handle that style even if he's slipped somehwat in speed and stamina...his smarts alone should be enough to offset Pavlik's predictable forward moving agression.

Picture this:

Pavlik coming in constantly behind the jab and looking for the long right hand. Hopkins timing him with the sneaky lead right..tieing him up and occasionally exploding, without warning with a couple combinations..before moving out and causing Pavlik to start his rhythm again.

That's what you're likely to see all night long.

 

hopkins should have a physical strength advantage over pavlik who is unproven against bigger fighters. pavlik will look bad, and may lose

 

Lies.

 

Tarver?

 

This is good. We haven't had an example of "dumb motherfucker" syndrome in quite some time. Its good that Slycretariat has come here to make sure we still remember who the least objective and most obnoxious poster around is.

I'm actually picking Hopkins, but its not because I'm black power happy, its because his counters will deter Kelly. As long as this is the Hopkins of the Winky Fight, or at least that calibur of training and readiness I think he stops Kelly late....although I hope to God Pavlik knocks him unconscious

 

is a pussy who can't (or won't) fight inside. b-hop was safe being aggressive against tarver as a result. against pavlik, you will see no such aggression from hopkins - that stinky dirty light heavy-weight cas.

pavlik has the cance to ko b-hop. i think he will.

 

I hate/Love this fight. If anybody can KO Hopkins it is Pavlik. However if anybody can make an exciting young superstar look bad it's Hopkins.

 

I'm a Hopkins fan, but I'm hoping he gets stopped in this one. Maybe it's because he cost me $25 bucks from the Calzaghe fight and the fact that he has never been stopped before.

 

This is exactly how I feel about the fight. I like both of these guys and don't like this match for either one of them. It's really a lose/lose for Pavlik. If he loses it was to an old man, if he wins he beat an old man.

 

Pavlik is basic in a good way, a classic 1-2 boxer puncher, like Monzon.

He is not predictable, he mixes up his shots well, mixes his range, speed, power, jabs, etc etc.

Hopkins could well stink it out and make Pavlik look bad, maybe somehow even get the win, but I'm picking Kelly.

Too strong, too rangy, too powerful, too busy.

Hopkins might be cagey, but Pavlik is going to hit him often. People underestimate Pavlik's range. He has long arms, and he gets FULL extension on his shots, they are hard to avoid, even though they are a little slow.

I'm picking Pavlik by clear UD in a predictably crap fight, with Nard just creeping around, throwing the odd headbutt/grab combo, and Pavlik outlanding him 3-1, and hurting him once or twice for the first time in however long.

 

:bears::bears:

and pavllik is maybe a little more athletic than monzon too. agree with all yer points.

 

So you are comparing Pavlik to Trinidad?

 

I keep changing my mind about this fight....If it was a 8 round fight..then i hop easy...just doing enough to win..but then i can see Pavlik active jab...cuttting off the ring...trapping Hopkins on the ropes a few couple times around...and breaking him down...Hopkins doing whatever he can to survive/not get KO...


I say Hopkins comes out checks what Pavlik has..tries once or twice to adjust..then once he understand he can't deal with the young kid..he will just do nothing but wait out a decision...taking the least amount of punishment....SO it will be up to PAVLIK to either let it go to a decision...or try for the stoppage....


Or MAYBE HOPKINS can pull another last great performance like he did vs. TARVER....:warning:

 

why would anyone get such a crazy idea? :dunno:

 

So when Pavlik beats the hell out of him, it will be just because Bernard had nothing left. :bears:

 

anyone who think kelly will ko hops is a fool, hops isnt going to get hit much he the best ever at stinking the joint out, that being said he probly will lose because its hard to win throwing 11 punches a round, but he wont be ko'ed nor will he ever be in trouble.

 

tito is better and will ko pavlik

 

hops wont get ko'ed by anyone anytime, he will stink it out before he takes that kind of damage.

 

The thread starter doesn't have to good of a record picking against Pavlik. He argued forever that Taylor was going to beat him.