Ahhh.... it has begun.... the stupidity of casual fans...

Yep. I watched it. Have done a few times. And Diaz' boxing skills only tell half the story.
Diaz, essentially a boxing and BJJ specialist, shut down McGregor’s game after he faded in Rd2.

Everything from McGregor in Rd1 was a big play. He spent his cardio on 2 main things in the fight: 1) spinning kicks, 2) left-hand power shots.
If you've done any MMA you'll know that out of the entire striking repertoire, spinning kicks cost the most energy–throwing them and being ineffective with them is the most inefficient use of energy possible. Your cardio levels deplete pretty quickly.

The next biggest inefficiency is loading up on kill shots and missing repeatedly.
While McGregor only 2-3 spinning kicks in the first round, I lost count on how many left hands he missed.

In Rd2, McGregor again threw about four more spinning kicks that did fuck-all, but was finding the target on the left early in the round. Half way throughout the round, McGregor started to lose his footwork - he was starting up fade, stamina-wise.

That is when he got tagged by Diaz, and that’s why he went for a takedown against the superior grappler.



However, this is nothing to do with the initial aspect of McGregor being an elite puncher.

 

For a guy like you, sure. You're an MMA fan and not a boxing fan.

 

As a Hardcore BOXING Fan, it'd Be HILARIOUS if Floyd Lost...

If Anyone's Behavior WARRANTS a Loss, it's Floyd Mayweather's...He Thinks he's BIGGER than the Sport, Doesn't Care About his LEGACY and Continues to FLEECE Consumers by OVERpromising and UNDERdelivering...

Fuck Floyd...





REED:Crap:

 

For a guy who doesn't care about his legacy (and I agree he doesn't) his legacy sure did end up secure anyhow

 

No one gives a shit about spinning kicks. Nate beat the shit out of him standing up. Period.

 

Not quite as secure as he THINKS it is. You

 

He's the BEST Fighter of his Era, Unquestionably...Thing is, Floyd Thinks he's BIGGER Than That; Thinks he's T.B.E...

That's NOT his Legacy, However...





REED:Crap:

 

I think you´ll find you´re wrong yet again Jeffy.
Diaz on the retreat, lazily using his jab and throwing the occasional right-hand isn´t ´boxing ears off´ or ´beating shit´ out of anyone.

McGregor punched himself out. Diaz landed clean the that was that.

Next!

 

And he didn't exactly dominate the second one either. That was a close fight that could easily went to nate

 

That's not in question here: he could lose 10 fights in a row against Diaz - does that diminish his striking power & accuracy?

No.

 

In a certain way, yes it does. (subjectively speaking, not objectively of course)

 

As it is, it's irrelevant what Diaz says about McGregor’s power (not that getting dropped by him 3x matters.
Of course Diaz is such a muppet, he'd never admit it anyway and claim it was a 'dupe' move)
Fact is, I doubt McGregor’s power sufficiently translates from MMA to Boxing to cause Mayweather many problems due to a whole myriad of factors which I will explain to you all if you like....

 

:nono: If Reed hates the genre, what's vanilla-ice doing out of the bin?

Clarence.

 

Did REED St-St-STUTTER???...

Fuck Floyd...




REED:Crap:

 

I'm not sure I understand your point

Of course getting outboxed by Diaz and only getting a contentious decisions against him the secon go round diminish our evaluation of Mcgregor power and accuracy. And if he fought and lost 10x against him, it would impact even more our evaluation of his power and accuracy.

 

Hey, Floyd irritates me as much as the next man but calling himself TBE isn't one of the reasons. Ali called himself the greatest long before he actually proved it. I don't see you criticizing Ali for doing that when he was 22 years old. Eubanks called himself simply the best. Micheal nunn called himself second to nunn.

A fighter is supposed to believe he's the best and while Floyd remains undefeated he can say that especially as he's won more title fights than anyone else had had an undefeated run ( in terms of years unbeaten) longer than anyone else and he's one of only a couple fighters that have won titles in 5 weight classes.

It's not like he's Bert Cooper calling himself TBE. Lol

 

mayweather jr had an excellent career. lots of good victories and a few special performances. could he have done more? sure, but what he did do ranks him among the best 25 fighters in the history of the sport. that is a great legacy in my opinion.

 

Aquitting his white opponent for the same crime?

Reed please,... you're fitting in quite nicely. Moving up. Ambitious. etc

 

Ali Went OUT of his Way to PROVE he was the "Greatest"...Hell, Not Only Did Ali PREDICT the Rounds his Fights would End, he MADE it Happen...

When he "Upset" Liston, There was an IMMEDIATE RE; No Talk of Purse Splits, A-Side/B-Side, No Weight Restrictions, etc...

Do You HONESTLY Think Ali Would've ALLOWED a Fight to EXCEED it's Shelf Life, the Way Floyd WILLINGLY Did w/Pacquiao???...Do You HONESTLY Think Ali Would've Insisted Upon UNPRECEDENTED Testing Measures, to FINALLY Get his Bitch Ass in the Ring w/a SMALLER Dude???...

If Ali were Floyd, the Foreman Fight NEVER Happens...Or, @ Best, Ali Would've Awaited Clear and Present VULNERABILITIES in Foreman, Before Pursuing a Fight w/Him...Instead, Ali Fought Foreman @ the HEIGHT of "Badass" Aura...

Please, NEVER Mention Muhammad Ali and Floyd Mayweather in the Same Context, EVER Again...Floyd is NOT Worthy...






REED:Crap:

 

agREED...

But Top 25 AIN'T T.B.E...





REED:kidcool:

 

White Opponent???...





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Yes indeed,... "White accomplice" ... forgive me. :bravo:

 

Do You Speak of Conor McGregor???...

While it'd Be HILARIOUS if McGregor Defeated Floyd, There's a ZERO % Chance of that Happening...





REED:kidcool:

 

Floyd would take your cash in exchange for an appalling exhibit against a scrub, but he'd never take a dive for a career high pay day - McGregor will, that's why he's worse. :nono:

 

top 25 ever in a sport that has had millions and millions of participants is a very impressive accomplishment

 

I'm a huge Ali fan so I'm not going to disagree with anything you said regarding Ali.

However...

The Irony is that you were the one who made the song "Y'all musta forgot" popular on these forums...and I need to use similar sentiment from that song against you in regards to Floyd.

When Floyd was a Jnr Middleweight he called out the most fearsome 130lber in the world at the time: the undefeated Diego Corrales. Corrales was a wrecking machine, with a seemingly solid chin (had never been decked up to that point), was much taller than Floyd and seemed to be a significantly larger man. Floyd could have gone to what seemed at the time as easier options in Casamayor or Frietas, but instead went after the guy perceived as his biggest threat. It should have been a 50-50 fight, according to conventional wisdom....but Floyd walked it like a training session and dropped the guy 5 times.

You musta forgot!

Then...after a couple more defenses decided to move up to light weight and challenge for the title. Who did he challenge? Some soft option? No...he went after motherfucking Jose Luis Castillo, who was considered the main man at that weight. Floyd was injured before teh fight...did he pull out? No...instead he fought him injured and changed his style to protect his left shoulder. HBO thought Castillo won more rounds (which he didn't) but since
many agreed with them...Floyd wanted to silence the haters and instead of milking his new title went for teh immediate rematch against Castillo and beat him more convincingly the second time.

You musta Forgot

Floyd then fought a couple other tough guys at that weight (Sosa and Ndou)...not electing for tomato cans...and then decided to move up AGAIN and win a title at 140lbs...utterly humiliating Gatti. Regardless of what you think of Gatti...he had teh title, was known as a tough guy, was looking good in recent fights...and Floyd beat him up as though Gatti had never fought before....let alone won a couple titles.

He didn't stay there long....and although he had been a 130lbs just a few years prior he moved up yet again...to 147lbs. Doesn't sound like a guy that wasn't looking after his legacy. At the time I thought his move to 147lbs was too soon. When he was at 140lbs, Zab Judah was the undiputed Welterweight champion, having beaten Spinks, who had beaten Mayorga who had beaten Forrest who had beaten Mosley who had beaten De La Hoya. Not only was Zab the Undisputed Champion, he was also the lineal champion. As Floyd moved up...with the intention of facing Zab...Zab loses in an upset to Baldomir. Most people see it as Zab losing the fight instead of Baldomir winning the fight...citing that zab was ill prepared and took the lesser fighter lightly. Zab was still seen as a bigger threat to Floyd. Floyd fights Zab who somehow retained a piece of the championship...for teh bigger challenge and bigger name...yet the haters were (hypocritically) complaining that he didn't face the true champion...who is Baldomir. So what does he do...fights the lineal champion Baldomir to win teh Welterweight title outright. What do the haters do? "Baldomir was a bum!". Instead of staying at 147...Floyd moves up YET AGAIN to risk his undefeated record against a taller and much bigger Oscar De La Hoya at 154lbs. Guys like Double L said that Floyd wold never get in the ring with Oscar and that the call out was just a bluff. Oscar was seen as very dangerous: wiped out Mayorga in his most recent fight, destroyed Vargas not too long before that. Muzse and other's hinted the idea that floyd may actually get knocked out in that one. Shiiiiit even Floyd snr was trying to discourage his son from facing Oscar...thinking it was an unnecessary risk. Floyd goes ahead and fights him and beats him and wins a title in his 5th weight class.

Revisionists like to pretend that Floyd taking on Oscar was a soft option instead of facing Cotto and Margarito (guffaw guffaw) but the fact is at the time, Oscar was THE most formidable challenge for Floyd considering he was at lightweight just a couple years prior.

Also let me quickly mention Hatton.,..revisionists like to act as though he was a soft fight..and easy picking fight. Hatton was UNDEFEATED at teh time. He was a top 5 pound for pounder. He was getting more and more recognition from both casual and hardcore fans alike with every fight. He had stopped both Tszyu and Castillo....not easy feats. He had started off at a higher weight than Floyd had started off so Floyd was not fighting a smaller fighter truthfully. Fighting hatton was no different to other fighters in the past fighting very good and accomplishes top P4P 5 fighters moving up. Robinson did it. Leonard did it. Hagler did it. Pryor did it. Floyd does it...and LAWD HAVE MERCY....he's a cherry picker. Hypocrisy.

Again...you musta forgot.

I wont go into details about him fighting Mosley, Cotto, Marquez, Ortiz....but they were not bums or soft touches like people try to pretend now, they were decent fights...even Marquez...but that's for a follow up discussion. Instead let me fast forward to Canelo in Floyd second stint at 154lbs. Canelo was undefeated; had beaten Trout, Mosley and was in his prime...whereas Floyd was in his late 30s. Canelo was touted as the next big star out of mexico...must bigger than Floyd, hard puncher etc etc. If Floyd was a guy that ducked challenges as you suggest...no way in hell would have have faced this guy. Floyd however did face him and beat him easily.

You musta forgot.

As for Pacquaio....I've explained AT LENGTH how this was teh first time in history that two bonafide crossover supertstars, each with a claim to the A side of teh promotion, each with a claim to the P4P nmber one spot...were trying to negotiate a deal. Never happen before and in hindsight we should have expected negotiations to be tough. Nevertheless the fight happened eventually.


Essentially...REED...haters gonna hate. Floyd could have taken on a Jaguar with his bare hands and won...and the haters would be saying "Pffft....He didn't fight a Siberian Tiger!". Haters gonna hate. His resume is stellar but haters refuse to see it and provide excuses for every one of his achievements. It's ridiculous.

He takes on Oscar at 154lbs...an Oscar that in his most recent fight had utterly destroyed Mayorga....and people say he ducked Margarito and Williams. LUDICROUS. That's like saying that Lennox Lewis ducked Chris Byrd when he decided to fight Tyson instead. Floyd haters are far more ridiculous than his fans. Not even close.

So, in conclusion....a guy that is undefeated in 49 fights, with over 30 consecutive wins in championship fights (a record), over 20 years, titles in 5 weights classes and has teh following names on his resume: Pacquiao, Mosley, De La Hoya, Cotto, Canelo, Judah, Hatton, Castillo, Corrales, Hernandez.....has every right to be mentioned in the same sentence as Ali or any other ATG.

"If Ali were Floyd, the Foreman Fight NEVER Happens..."

BALDERDASH!

Fighting Corrales, Fighting Castillo twice, Challengeing De La Hoya....ALONE dispels the myth of Floyd being a ducker.....let alone undefeated Hatton, undefeated Canelo,

So REED you need to accept your own medicine and accept the fact that Floyd is being judged unfairly like Roy Jones was before him.

You musta forgot!

 

Nah, McGregor WON'T Take a Dive...

If he Loses, he LOSES, but McGregor WON'T Embarrass the Sport of MMA by Taking a DIVE Against a Light Punching Boxer Like Floyd...

That Being Said, Floyd IS Capable of Legitimately KO'ing McGregor, but he Won't Put Forth the EFFORT Nor Will he Take the RISKS Required to Make that Sort of Statement vs. Conor...He'll SAY he's Looking to KO Conor, yet he'll Fleece the Boxing Public 1nce Again, Come Fightnight....




REED:blah:

 

Undoubtedly...

Doesn't Make You T.B.E. Though...






REED:kidcool:

 

i never considered him that, at any point in time.

furthermore if he wouldve taken all the fights everyone wanted him to take, aaaand won impressively he STILL couldnt have been the best ever.

 

Lol, at Sosa and Ndou being though challenges.

Sad to see a once decent poster turn into such a caricature of himself