Do you like Manny's thick, shiny, varnished hair?

So you don't enjoy infighting as a rule? Fair to say?

 

You realise the guy that's troubled Floyd the most since Castillo is Zab right?

A southpaw that is faster than him, and was actually winning at the halfway point, before wilting mentally as per usual.

Zab isn't even close to being the fighting machine Manny is.

Just food for thought.

 

Depends how it is done but in that direction. I enjoy watching Toney, Hopkins, Floyd etc. defensive inside fighters but apart from Pryor I can't come up with an aggressive inside fighter I would be a fan of. Pac is not an inside fighter in the same sense, he is one of my favorites ever

 

Do you think Zab wilted because he just didn't feel like fighting anymore, or do you think maybe it had something to do with what Floyd was doing?

edit: do you think Manny and Zab are stylistically similar at all?

 

It always has something to do with the opponent, but 50% of it is Zab's mental makeup, which is why he did the same thing against Cotto, and loses focus at the midway point of fights he's WINNING.

 

You realise the guy that's troubled Manny the most since Barrera is Marquez right?

A smart counterpuncher, and according to most won a majority of the 24 rounds they contested, only the KDs allowing Manny to escape without losses.

Marquez isn't even close to being the fighting machine Floyd is....and he's smaller, slower, far less elusive, less powerful, less durable.

Just food for thought

 

Barrera?? Do you mean Morales?

Manny thrashed Barrera like a red headed stepchild.

And yeah absolutely, Floyd is a tough fight for Manny, but anyone who doesn't think the reverse is also true is crazy.

 

The difference is though, that now Manny's approach is vastly different (he counters much more instead of attacking) and he has learned a lot compared to the Marquez bouts, especially the first one. Floyd seems more like the same guy he was against Zab, with more muscle though

 

Godfather and LOK voted "No". WTF dudes. At least vote steroids, rather than just "No. How boring can you get.

 

Not only that but stylistically Marquez is significantly different to Floyd. Similar, but there are key differences.

He is more offensive. He would punch with Manny, and land combos. Floyd is strictly a pot shotter, and runs more risk of being overwhelmed than Marquez, because there's no fucking way he's going to open up against Manny.

 

Well yeah of course you can vote for it, I'm just, it's kind of gay. The other 2 choices are far better.

 

:giggle:

Ever seen Mayweather vs Mosley? I would argue that Shane hits harder than Pacquiao. Ask Margarito what he thinks on that subject.

 

In fairness Manny & Zab have very different styles. Judah made Floyd lead when he was having his success then out speeded him. Floyd had to adapt to a situation he'd never been in before.

Manny's punch stats are interesting. 1200 thrown v Clottey, 1100 versus Tony, 780 vs Cotto, 500 vs Marquez. Part of that was the threat of JMM's accurate counter right hand making Manny much more circumspect. Nobody in the sport reduces an opponents standard output as much as Floyd, or even close. Not Hopkins, not Marquez. Partly because nobody in the sport is as accurate as Floyd.

So people expecting to see Manny buzzing in and out throwing 80, 90, 100 punches a round would be surprised i think. You'd probably see Manny reduced to throwing 30 to 40 shots a round versus Floyd (as few or less than vs Marquez), and I don't personally think he can win a decision like that. I think it's Manny by KO or it's Floyd.

 

I ticked the HGH box.

 

Hitting hard is pretty irrelevant if you can't land punches.

Mosley's offense isn't even CLOSE to Pacquiao's.

Pacquiao has the speed, timing, accuracy, combinations and power to fuck Floyd up if he takes as many chances as he did with Shane.

Shane has power in single shots but that's it. By the halfway point his handspeed had severely diminished, so had his will to win.

 

See...it's for reasons like that that I'll always have mad respect for you. It takes a wise man to realize such things.

That's the entire point that many miss...

Pacquiao s NOT going to be throwing 1000 punches at mayweather. not even close.

 

I wouldn't give the Manny that fought Marquez a chance Vs Floyd. At the time it would have been a joke fight.

Manny's overall skill level, punch variety, defense, footwork etc is all very improved, where as Floyd is more or less the same.

 

Of course not, but I could see a fight with lots of waiting and couple of heated exchanges every now and then, and Manny with his straight punches and determination might get the better of them. If he attacks continuously, he loses

 

Floyd stays on the offensive against fast fighters. He'd walk Manny down, behind a jab and discourage manny's offense with his counters. If Floyd had the cojones to walk Shane down AFTER Shane hurt him, I see no reason why he wont do the same to Manny.

 

He can and might, but it won't be as easy.

Manny won't stand and shake like he has Parkinsons trying to win a game of reflexes against Floyd.

 

We Asians can't grow beards properly, I'm giving it a go right now but it looks fucking horrible, a patchy mess as you put it. Gonna stick with it though and see what happens ::

 

agreed that it wont be easy. Manny's a GREAT fighter.

DAMN IT....this fight has to happen!! It'll make up for Lewis-bowe, (pre Jail)Tyson-Holyfield etc not happening.

 

Are you pure asian?

 

Nothing can make up for past fights that didn't happen, but agreed on this fight having to happen. Everything else just sucks in comparison.

 

Well, i agree he's an even better fighter at welter, but I'm not sure it's an improvement in skill as much as his style is just very well suited to fighting less mobile fighters. It accentuates the footspeed advantage and lets him get in and out at a rate his opponents haven't coped with.

The Floyd fight would tell us allot. From a personal point of view there are even some question I'll be curious to see if the first few rounds of the Mosley fight can shed light on (right hand issue/whether Shane still has a wee flurry of footspeed left in him and how Manny would cope with not having absolute control of range for a change).

Manny will win, but it could tell us some things, early.

 

Half. The other side is Irish, which enables me to handle my drink ::

 

As much as I favour Floyd, I've always said that Pacquiao is the one fighter that's capable of beating him. Would be a tremendous event.

Has Floyd retired? Is he in jail? What's the deelio?