Expendables III : Update Teaser included

Gibson on the warpath... Jews beware!

 

Sorry lb4lb, but Anthony has a very good point here. A big part is the novelty: what kid didn't want to see Stallone, Schwarzenegger, and Chuck Norris all in the same movie back in the day. These were the kinds of teamups that a lot of kids thought would be really cool. It's novelty and nostalgia---sure it's a cashgrab, but it's also about seeing the action stars, we watched as kids, getting together for some last hurrahs.

 

Okay, you say they don't have to put in decent dialouge because we already care about the characters since we already know them. Wrong. Thanks to the lack of decent dialouge I don't care about these characters and I don't want to watch part 3. I sat through 1 loved the action sequences and watched part 2 out of curiosity. I have no interest in seeing 1 or 2 again and likely won't watch 3 because there isn't enough in this film to care about, other than overdone action sequences that are so far over the top they become a distraction. The first film's action was good, but in part 2 it just seemed too ridiculous. Riding around in a golf cart hitting moving targets that are somehow missing you.

Also even the dirty dozen films had decent dialouge the character development is less of an issue in these types of film IMO. And yes I do say Rambo 1 & 2 and Running Man etc are superior to the Expandables crap. I've sat through several viewings of those films, receited lines from them and everything, how many people can sit through multiple viewings of Expendables 2?

Yeah, and did you see anywhere in there where I said nobody wanted to see that? No. I'm not arguing the concept, I'm arguing about the final product. Also we wanted to see those films back when these guys were at the height of their abilities and movie making was on a better scale, not when they were over the hill, couldn't bring in the grosses anymore and needed a novelty to cash in, hence the very reason these films got green lit.

 

No, the 80's movies did have good dialogue. The characters actually had good interesting conversations. In the Expendables every one just talks, but it isn't conversing they're doing but rather just spitting out phrases. Also even if I was 10 and shit, I also watched these films over and over throughout the 80's and 90's on video or HBO so the dialogue stands.

No you aren't getting it. I already said in my last post that the character development in these films isn't really the problem. It's the lame dialogue that is. Sure we already know these characters and maybe your reasoning of how dialogue doesn't matter is the same reason the last 2 Die Hard films sucked ass. It seems like all they did for Expendables was throw some big name actors in a film, slap some over the top action sequences around it, but then just have them improv the dialogue. Maybe a half decent film is good enough to entertain you, but I'm not satisfied with it.

Without the witty charismatic dialogue these guys gave us in the 80's there really isn't much point in putting them in a film together. Because even though you claim we already know these guys, to me they look like imposters. I mean yeah, they pull the triggers the same, but their character/personality was always the heart of their films, which is why you couldn't just cast any old actor in those 80's roles. As far as Expendables are concerned, they could have given that film to a bunch of no name actors and although they wouldn't have pulled in as much money, they would have done just as good a job if not better reciting those same lame lines and squeezing those same triggers.

It's not nostalgia, they were just better films. And trust me I know good dialogue, it's not an age or time issue. A movie like Dark Knight or Watch Men, good dialogue. Films like Expendables or the last 3 Star Wars films, shit dialogue. Oh but you can go on defending it all you want and if you just say it's a film you enjoy regardless of the dialogue we can end this discussion right here, just don't try to convince me it has good dialogue because it doesn't.

It's not me, the Expendables films just have shitty dialogue.

 

So if it's a mindless action film why are you defending it when I criticize the dialogue? Just say something like that's true, but I enjoyed it anyway. No movie is perfect, why do you have to defend every anatomy of every film you like whether it's the actors, the budget, the gross or the dialogue?

 

The Dirty Dozen analogy (especially the first film) makes no sense... absolutely NONE

 

I understand what you're saying, I just don't think you're right in that it's clouding my judgement. I know I have a connection to 80's films but I also understand that those films were done well. They had good dialogue and good action, Expendables only had good action. For instance Jack Reacher was an action movie today that had good action, pace and good dialogue. It was twice as good as Expendables because it was done well so you see seeing movies in the 80's hasn't somehow prevented me from knowing good dialogue from bad dialogue. When the actors actually converse about plot points and events that are happening in the film, it goes over better rather than say, the actors just constantly doing small talk about nothing.

You got a link to these clips because I think I missed them?

Exactly, and you seemed to miss my point where I said in the Expendables they didn't seem like Arnold, Stallone, and Willis any more because they weren't saying anything worth a damn. Your point that the characters don't need developing because we already know them is a ridiculous cop out. Even in the 80's when they were playing their so called same characters in different films there was character development, even in sequels when they actually were the same characters there was character development. Without character development you get the lame convo's we got in the Expendables.

No it really isn't. Because I can also compare the dialogue to much better action films of today like Reacher, or M.I Ghost Protocol for example. I mean you seem to be really reaching here. We never named specific films from the 80's, you're just sitting there apparently arguing that every action film from the 80's had bad dialogue which is just silly.

 

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The Expendables 3 teaser trailer

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I thought part 2 was better than part 1. This one looks overloaded with characters though. Glad to see Snipes back as well.

 

No problem, son.

 

I would like these movies a lot more if more good guys died. I mean you keep bringing in new (old) faces so you have plenty room to spare. If you're not going to use Chuck Norris anymore for example then have a grenade explode in his mouth or something. It would be cool to see a bunch of these superstars killed off. But nooooo instead we will get the usual bodycount of 5684 bad guys dead, meanwhile only Randy Couture broke his nail.

 

I see your point but then they would have to "address" the fallen ones (at least the good guys) and that would cut into the action. I'd rather not see any of them get emotional and give some kind of "we'll get the bastards for you!" speeches.

 

Revenge in action films is very rewarding. They should kill a few of them and the surviving ones take satisfying revenge on the bad guys.

 

They killed Thor's younger brother in the last one.

 

Oh, you mean Miley Cyrus ex-boyfriend?

 

Jet Li was there?:stunned: maybe I was blinking that I missed him!

 

:laughing:

 

I said "sister", so call him "sis", motherfucker!