GGG vs. the 176 lb. Danny Jacobs thread

Alvarez is a lot quicker than GGG. If he can take his punches, he wins a decision (deserved or not)

 

I haven't seen this fight, but I think GGG is better than Hagler. I'm surprised that Jacobs could hang with GGG even with the weight advantage, but I liked Quillin and Jacobs proved he's quality in that fight. The difference is that GGG has proven he's quality in like his last 45+ fights.

The IBF needs to take their dumbass rule and lose it.

Did Gonzalez actually lose? I've never liked him as p4p#1, but I do like Estrada a lot. It just doesn't even come close to what Ward has done, nor do I think it comes close to what Ward is. I need to watch tonight's fight, but I think GGG deserved to be should higher than Gonzalez, too, but Gonzalez, to his credit, didn't exactly have any close calls before tonight. Edit: I see he did lose. Headbutts can change enough about a fight that the wrong guy wins. I'm guessing Gonzalez will be the favorite in a rematch?

 

Precisely. Jacobs can afford to carry extra weight and use it to good advantage, Alvarez basically uses extra weight because, essentially, he's a skill-less fattie.

 

Again, there is a sanguine, relaxed almost casual value to GGG at times. Alvarez leaps in and generates, as Manny Steward would say, great excitement with his midget-arm attacks. He's not fast. He's just reckless.

 

:yuk: Please no

 

I think Alvarez would beat Jacobs pretty clearly. Alvarez's timing is just too good and would trump Jacob's New York skillset.

 

He's skillful enough in slow motion but it is like Johan Cruyff said (paraphrasing) poor footballers aren't poor because they suddenly turn and kick the ball into their own goal or pass the ball to an opponent, they are poor because when the pace and pressure is increased beyond a certain point, they can no longer effectively play football

 

Jacobs did look huge in there

 

Golov better than Hagler?

At speaking multiple languages you mean?

 

If you consider yourself a fight fan of any kind, rule #1 you've got to stop harping on fighter's weights at fight times.

It's right up there with "He should have lost. Look how bloody he is."

alm:

 

Golov will still beat the fat Ginger, but fat Ginger is gonna touch him up and win rounds.

Golov's jab is gonna be the biggest issue for Fat Ginger.

 

Just ignore it... What's the point?

 

Yes, good analogy, pressure changes everything.

It's worth pointing out,and it says a lot about the mentality that people had about Jacobs not dying so therefore he is winning.............Golovkin found himself in a fight and never himself buckled or wandered from the task, he kept doing his thing, had faith in his methods and left very little reason for doubt in the end about the result.

It rarely has come up for discussion because he's kept knocking guys out, but Golovkin knows precisely how to stay the course and get his work done.

 

Basically every time he fails to send an opponent to an early grave in less than 3 minutes, the cavalry arrives to denounce him as a hype job

 

The weight is significant because it changes the immediate physical aspect of the fight.

Suppose you have two equal fighters, one of whom makes the weight with ease and the other one barely makes it.

Are we supposed to not factor in weight when assessing the outcome.

You are asking us to ignore weight,and how it is made, and remade, in a sport that is strictly centered around weight divisions.

:scratcher:

Weight is a real, physical, tangible thing and how it is made, reconstituted and applied can be very important.

 

Which is fine, but people have to accept that preconceptions count for shit.

Ali should have blown Wepner away after 4 rounds, by conventional wisdom.........but his legacy is unaffected by his needing 15 rounds to KO a fat, bald club-footed guy with more scar tissue and reconstructive surgery than your average female porn-star.

When you look at it, Golovkin never deviated from his own plan, never got desperate, never faltered. His own routine was adhered to. First round or 12th round.

 

Well, it is different when one fighter follows a rule in order to win a sanctioning body's title and the other fight doesn't.

Lomachenko has ridden that distinction to p4p #1 on many people's list despite a loss in his recent past.

 

I never heard these arguments when Hatton used to shrink down to 140lbs and come in way bigger then his opponents. Regardless I feel that Jacobs got robbed.

 

Now I know why he never wanted to move up 8lbs and fight Ward. Lol

 

Robbed? Let's not get careless here.

 

You keep mentioning this 15 lb weight advantage Jacobs had. If GGG weighed in t 159 yesterday and was 161 today, that's a very low amount of weight to gain by fight time.

Sorry but unless they change the rules (aside from the IBF's new rule) there's nothing outrageous about a fighter putting on more weight than they're opponent. It happens in boxing, kickboxing, MMA, college wrestling, you name it. Some guys kill themselves making weight and put on a lot more after the weigh in.

 

Per the IBF, both fighters could gain 10 lbs. I don't know if that is 10 lbs from their weigh in weights or 10 lbs higher than the weight class, but I assume it's 170 lbs.

 

I mentioned that was a new rule. I don't like it but oh, well.

It's ironic that Gatti and Pazienza were both IBF champions. The masters of coming back to the ring three weight classes heavier. Jose Luis Castillo used to put on a ton of weight before fights as well though he really didn't look as stocky as the other two.

 

If Alvarez destroys chavez jr , the greatest money makin opportunity of you fellows lives is upon you

 

GGG looking slow on the trigger. Like a 34 year old with a long amateur career basically

 

I didn't bother to score the fight but I had the feeling Jacobs had done enough to win the fight at the end. As some have pointed out, it might have to do with the expectations I had regarding the fight. Jacobs has done way better than I expected and Golovkin looked considerably worse than I thought he would. It was still a close fight nonetheless. It was tense but not that entertaining so I won't bother to rewatch it to score it. I can live with that result.

 

HAtton weighed in at 145 for his fight with Floyd. Hatton never had difficulty at 140 until the drugs and drink got to him in his last few twilight bouts. He was back at 140 for the Pacquaio, Lazcano and Malignaggi fights.

You can go back into retirement now.

 

I have spent the morning reading about Golovkins "failure" and "Inability" to KO Jacobs.

It's all about expectancy and it's all about perception.

 

You seem to think it's a question of morals our outrage.

It's not, at least not for me.

I am only looking at it in terms of the cold hard mechanics of a particular fight.