Hatton considered suicide after Pacquiao defeat

What application does my statement have to what I said?

This should be amusing, assuming you don't just evade it with a flippant throwaway line.

 

You pass harsh judgements on a guy for feeling sad and depressed having failed in the biggest and most important, potentially defining moment in his life's work, questioning his manhood, calling him weak, etc., really dreadful character assassination and then you immediately turn around and act all pissy when somebody playfully trolls you a bit about your religion... I guess it's okay to pass judgement on a guy for lamenting his failings (while not even appreciating what is very clearly a funny, self-depricating quote with the tits and all of that) but one of the two religions most responsible for sectarian slaughter and brainwashing on Earth is beyond criticism...

What is even more amusing is that your current favorite fighter sobs like a baby after he defeats guys that even Hatton would have gone through like a knife through butter, yet strangely your "crying is teh gay" schtick never appears when this is reported

 

Well, first of all, passing judgments on someone for what you view as negative behavior is completely different from being bigoted, there's an obvious and explicitly mentioned additional step involved (assigning the motive/reason for the negative behavior to a salient and obvious characteristic, such as race or creed).

I do think the contrived and effete indignation wrt "dreadful character assassination" is amusing, did you that that because you're Irish? (see what I did there?)

Secondly, my point in saying what I said was that Irish turns every discussion we are both involved in into something about my race or my religion. He is a classic bigot in the sense that everything he disagrees with me on occasions the matter of race or religion being brought up. I wasn't being indignant at all, I'm more trying to shame him into being less repetitious/uncreative than anything.

Anyway, I didn't know that I was one of the two religions on this Earth responsible for blah blah etc, or that that was the topic of discussion to begin with. I thought we were talking about you know, boxing and fighters. But again, whenever I enter any topic where Irish is present, my race and beliefs invariably become the topic of discussion. You, in turn, invariably play his faithful attack poodle when I respond in kind, no matter how dumb and irrational it makes you look.

I'm not sure if this is because of your crush on Irish, or if it's because you have the same mental makeup/nature as your average Evangelist simpleton that feels the need to proselytize for/against belief systems you agree/disagree with at every opportunity.

WRT Floyd crying in the ring, I'd say there's a difference between crying with joy after fucking up your opponent in your biggest (in terms of exposure) fight to date, and what we already described Hatton's behavior as. But aside from that, I could really give a fuck less about someone personally criticizing Floyd, I've called him and his behavior stupid on several occasions here.

 

"Evangelist Simpleton"??? where do you get this shit? More Islam-centric nonsense... fuck your religion, seriously, fuck it hard... Your religion is not some genetically determined thing you are helpless to do anything about, so quit crying bigotry... you could easily get beyond your religion if you rationally thought about it and how silly it is (like all religions, including, again for the 9000th time, CHRISTIANITY, of which I am NOT an adherent, so put the Evangelical thing right where it belongs-up your ass) ... if people were taking a shot at your skin color, or your ethnicity, you'd have a point. You have chosen to be a muslim, you have chosen to follow the rules laid out by some ignorant, long-ago simpleton who knew less about how things work (you know, scientifically) than my cat does.

The more important issue is your flippant assertions of someone else being "weak and effeminate" because they had the audacity to be depressed about something... I'm sure you would cry as well if you were to go up to Hatton and tell him what a crying girl he is and he promptly turned your ribs into powder... you'd be crying quite a bit then ... I'm offended by your unenlightened viewpoint on the matter

As for "having a crush on Irish", this is especially amsuing considering that most of the interaction between he and I surrounds clear-cut disagreement on 99% of topics, especially as regards boxing... I agree with YOU far more often than I ever do with him, but don't let that stop you from being a prick and making things up

 

Excellent post.

And I'd actually say it's more womanly to sob like a little girl after beating the likes of Ortiz, as opposed to losing the defining fight of your career etc.

At least Hatton actually had something to cry about it.

loadedgloves is a retarded, hypocritical heathen.

 

:hammert:

loadedgloves goes to VA hospitals and chides amputees for "crying like a little woman, being a weakling"

he's all man

 

I foresee more "server" problems ahead.

 

You have the classic Evangelist simpleton trait of not respecting the fact that others may have different beliefs from yourself. What does that have to do with being "Islam-centric?" Your beliefs are objectively right, mine are objectively wrong, and it is only due to a flaw in me that I don't see the world your way. Hitchensbots like yourself are the same breed of arrogant white men that sought to spread enlightenment to the dark savages hundreds of years ago, willing to utilize warfare and violence to achieve their goals. Only the abstract has changed.

It doesn't surprise me at all that you are too stupid to understand why I called you an Evangelical simpleton, even though it was clearly explained. You're the classic "educated" person (most likely a humanities major) who has never had an original thought in their life. It's funny you make fun of religious people, since you are exactly the type of person who only selectively questions authority and teachings (based on what's OK to question) and believes everything you're supposed to believe.

First of all, if you really believe that when Irish randomly brings up the fact that I'm a Muslim in every single conversation we have doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Islam is a minority religion and associated with people of a different skin color and ethnicity than him, then you are being willfully stupid.

Secondly, the fact that someone has chosen to follow a set of beliefs doesn't make prejudice against followers of that set of beliefs any less bigoted because they "chose" to follow it. Further, there is a clear and obvious distinction between attacking Islam and attacking someone for being Muslim.

Third, the fact that I have chosen to be a Muslim is irrelevant to every single instance in which Irish brings it up and your lapdog ass backs him up. Aside from the obvious bigotry involved, do you really think it's normal and acceptable to constantly bring up and attack someone for being of a specific religion in completely unrelated conversations?

I suspect if I were Jewish and Irish was engaging in this same behavior, you would be considerably less comfortable with it (though maybe if it came from him, you would find a way to justify it).

You are the classic cookie-cutter imbecile who knows jack shit about science, but likes to scream about how we need to rely on science.. up until science contradicts their namby-pamby ideals about how the world should be. Do you know how depressingly common people like yourself are?

a) Clinical depression & situational depression are two different things

b) Estrogen, the primary feminizing hormone, and testosterone, the primary virilizing hormone, aren't directly related to emotional states and how much someone cries?

Alcohol consumption suppresses the HPTA, causing shutdown of testosterone production and imbalance in testosterone/estrogen ratios. In addition, some micronutrients commonly found in beer (eg, hops) are known for being estrogen agonists. This is part of why alcohol makes you fat (aside from the calories and the metabolic effects). Gaining fat in turn increases estrogen levels on top of that.

Cliffs: girls cry more, crying a lot is a classically feminine trait, you're a dullard

Re: Hatton turning my ribs into a powder, Hatton doesn't live in the same comic-book reality as yourself, so I seriously doubt he fights every heckler he encounters. Second, bringing up what I would or wouldn't do in a fight with Ricky Hatton is really monumentally stupid. Victor Ortiz could make you his bitch, that has nothing to do with anything here.

You aggressively insult my beliefs when I haven't done or said shit to you, and I'm the prick? You whiny fucking faggot. You think it's OK to repeatedly childishly insult and deride someone's beliefs unprovoked, and expect them to take it in stride? Your parents did a shitty job of raising you.. which is unfortunate, because you aren't the type of person who is going to evolve much as an adult.

 

cdogg compares coming out on the wrong side of a sporting event to losing a limb in warfare

he's a fucking retard :hammert:

 

I foresee a banning in loadedgloves future.

Ahmed, why don't you go to those Jihad sites. You would be more welcome there....until they figured out you had an education and decided you had to die.

 

Anders, why don't you go to those Nazi sites. You would be more welcome there.... blah blah

(fwiw most "jihadi" types are highly educated. I personally was kicked out of high school and never went back)

 

Were you grooming kids? Did those temptress girls refuse to cover up, drawing your ire?

 

see above^

 

I dunno if you're deliberately making it a pain in the ass to reply or what. Nevertheless

Your inability to grasp analogy and metaphor is remarkable. I'm not saying you're the direct blood descendant of those people, I'm saying you're their ideological descendant. Doesn't matter what your ancestors were doing in 1850, today you are part of the group I described - "arrogant white men seeking to spread enlightenment to the dark savages, willing to utilize warfare and violence to achieve their goals."

How does not following a religion make you a non-conformist? Your attitude is similar to that of goths/emos/hipsters or whoever that partake in a rigidly conformist subculture but think they're being non-conformist because they're different from people on sitcoms.

I'm not saying you're "parroting what your socialist professors told you," my own fiscal ideology leans toward socialism. I'm saying you believe what you think you're supposed to and don't question your beliefs, or the statements of an authority whom you have regard for. Your beliefs fit a naive set of ideals which directly contradict science and sensibility, you've illustrated that here on a couple of other occasions outside of this thread.

I guess that makes it OK to attack people based on their race or beliefs, then. Carry on supporting your Nazi buddy. After all, he's Irish!

No you aren't. First of all, you don't know the first thing about Islam, forget being knowledgeable enough about it to critique it. Secondly, the topic of this thread isn't Islam. Third, Islam was never even brought up, Muslims were. Quit excusing your bigotry with this intellectual laziness, it's fucking annoying.

This is a non-sequitur. Do you even read what you're replying to?

There are plenty of Jews, even very religious/Orthodox ones, who are highly critical of Israel. But again, criticizing Judaism or criticizing Israel are entirely different than making fun of or hating on someone for being Jewish. Would you be ok with the latter?

Your point was that Hatton wasn't being womanly. Your issue wasn't with how I felt about Hatton being womanly, your issue was with me calling him effeminate at all. My point is correct, regardless of what my personal opinion is on it.

And if you think Hatton would turn my ribs into a powder for calling me a girl, shouldn't you be mad at him for thinking being a girl is negative, too?

Also, please explain this statement:

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1104191&postcount=228

What's this!?! The little goody two shoes Oprah watching sissy is using "womanly" in a negative context.. *GASP* There are also about a thousand other posts where people call fighters womanly, effeminate, etc and you reply as though nothing happened.

I think you need to write a long, introspective blog post about this. :-(

Again, you're remarkably adept at missing the point. Please go back and read what I said, without the retard goggles this time. Comparing Hatton and Ortiz is a total non-sequitur here.

Age doesn't have shit to do with anything. Glad you were raised to have empathy for millionaire athletes who you've never met, but think it's OK to deride and mock someone's personal beliefs out of context, as well as deride and mock them for having those personal beliefs.

 

Some quoting going on here.

 

First off, where have I advocated using violence or imperialist tactics to educate those whom you call "savages"? This is a blatantly paranoid and racist take and wholly without merit in my case. The fact that you really believe that analogy is applicable to me is beyond misguided

Secondly, where have I demonstrated that I conform to ANY group or ideology? Where is this evidence of a "naive" set of beliefs? This is merely speculation on your part, based on nothing other than your dislike of me.

Your own prejudices are that anyone with an opinion you do not like is part of a group (emo, hipster, etc) that conforms to some rigid concept, an incredibly ironic stance for a religious zealot. I am not part of any group, or any subculture, I don't wear a uniform. You can continue to imagine that if you'd like, but I am not a member of anything, nor do I hang out with people who think or look like me or like all the same things that I do.

Pardon me, but what authority is it that you believe I have regard for? This is all just a blind stab in the dark, every bit of it. Whose orders am I supposedly following?

For someone who is remarkably sensitive to any criticism, you sure like to throw the word "Nazi" around as if it is the same thing as saying "stupid"... Nazi is a bit of a strong term to throw at a guy based on whatever it is you know of him... It would be like me calling you "Taliban" ... it's a slander with nowhere near the requisite evidence to justify its use... but I suppose extreme name-calling is okay as long as YOU are the one doing it

I am attacking your religion, because I think organized religions are absurd (based on my first hand experiences growing up Catholic, a religion I bash far more savagely than yours) ... so, indirectly, I suppose that means I am attacking Muslims... and yes, if a jewish poster were here and was as rabid about his faith ("the torah is the most beautiful book ever, none can eclipse its mastery" ... Hebrew "is the most beautiful language ever' ... both of these things are OPINIONS, though you, using Quaran and Arabic in place of Torah and Hebrew, presented these as completely factual statements beyond debate... that such statements are illogical should be clear after thinking about it for several seconds) ... If such a person were here, I would take issue with them as much as I take issue with your preaching... you seem to believe that my observations are somehow fueled by some white christian base, I think you assume this of anyone "white" who says anything negative about Islam... you are incredibly off-base... Besides, who says I hate anyone for being any religion? Is it your belief that I hate YOU? Because I don't; I don't even know you. I hate your religion, but I believe in your right to practice it. As long as it isn't infringing on me personally, have at it for all I care. I feel the same for all religions, that doesn't mean can't lament their existence or the things they teach.

There is nothing negative about being a girl, if you are a girl... but calling a man "womanly" or calling a woman "manly" is definitely an insult to that person.

Being womanly IN THE RING would definitely be a negative for a man taking part in a sport where death is a potential consequence, wouldn't you say? That's a whole different criticism than calling a guy a girl because he cried, especially when you would never say such a thing about Floyd Mayweather who has twice weeped after easy victories againt overmatched opponents. Notice, however, that I never essentially called Mayweather a "weak woman" for crying... I wondered why he would be compelled to cry tears of joy after two rather easy matchups, but I never called his mental or emotional strength into question because of him crying (something you would have done, if you were consistent on this particular issue)

 

You are a fan of Christopher Hitchens, you consider him a "brilliant author and journalist." Hitchens fully advocates exactly what I just described. If you weren't aware of that, you should do a bit more reading before you support and laud the views and character of a commentator such as Hitchens.

Secular humanist, probably among others. But that's irrelevant - my point and issue is not with you being part of a cohesive group or identifiable as such, rather that you conform to specific beliefs held up as ideals without questioning them. The commonness of these beliefs as well as their contradiction of basic science attest to both your conformity and your unwillingness to question them.

Oh and regarding your naive beliefs that contradict basic science - you've exhibited them here during your defense of Hatton, and I'm sure elsewhere that I don't recall as well. I suspect that in general on the topic of gender (and probably gender relations), ideals trump science for you.

Really? He's a racist, nationalistic, white supremacist. The most identifiable odious aspects of Nazi doctrine. But even aside from that, the analogy is stupid. As an exercise to help assist with your development, try to come up with at least 2 good reasons why.

Once again, Islam was not brought up. Loadedgloves being a Muslim was brought up. You backed up Irish attacking me for it. The distinction has been explained to your unbelievably dense ass a number of times. And again, you don't know enough about my religion to attack it. If you had wanted to have an honest intellectual discussion instead of coming off like a jerkoff, you could have opened up a thread in TAA and I would have schooled you.

You stupid fuck. I have never brought up anything about my religion specifically even once on this forum here. It is ALWAYS, ALWAYS Irish who brings up my religion. I merely defended my religion when it was brought up by others. Unlike you, I am not a classically annoying rabid douchebag proselytizer of my beliefs. If another poster mocked you for being an atheist or mocked atheists in reference to you, I wouldn't feel the need to talk about how atheists are wrong and stupid and then on top of that turn around & act like I was engaging in an intellectual critique of atheism.

Aside from that, you are being dishonest about what I said to suit your worthless arguments. What I said was:

Go ahead, find me a scholar of Arabic who disagrees.

I also never said Arabic was the most beautiful language ever. I said it was considerably more complex and nuanced than any Germanic language. This is something which anyone with even a passing knowledge of linguistics could tell you.

You are not only intellectually lazy, you are intellectually dishonest.

No, you are off-base about this assumption. I called you a Hitchensbot, I don't even know how you could begin to draw that conclusion. Though your values are almost certainly influenced to some extent by European culture, and that in turn is white and strongly influenced by Christian values and teachings.

I didn't say you hated anyone for being any religion. FWIW arguing a point that hasn't been made and/or trying to change the substance of the point that was made to something easier to refute doesn't make you appear to be more effective in debate.

First, you claimed that Hatton wasn't womanly. Then you acknowledge that he is womanly, but that's OK because he's not being womanly in the ring. And it would be OK for me to criticize him for being womanly in the ring, but it's wrong to make cracks about him acting womanly in another context. Yeah, you're not logically inconsistent or anything.

Re: Floyd Jr weeping after destroying overmatched opponents, you suck at reading

 

Generally when one disagrees with significant aspects of a person's approach or doctrine, they don't express or agree with unqualified admiration for the individual in question. eg, your comment about William F Buckley (who had a thesaurus and a ridiculous trans-Atlantic accent, but at the end of the day was still a tool whose writings are filled with laughable errors).

First of all

Secondly, why would it matter that it's a relatively vague label? Most labels such as that are. You have no problem drawing conclusions about my beliefs and the motives of my beliefs because I'm Muslim, yet I would say there is at least as much of a spectrum of belief associated with being Muslim as there is with being secular humanist.

But then again, like I said, that's irrelevant.

Re: beliefs you have that you never think about or question, "crying isn't feminine" is one, I'll provide another later here.

Aside from the fact that there are many aspects of Islamic practice which have been validated by contemporary science, nothing about my beliefs contradicts "basic science" or vice versa.

Regardless of whether or not my intention was to make a scientific claim, your issue was with the correctness of my statement. Anyone can go back a couple of pages and read that, no matter how much you try to change it to "well, the problem is that you were trying to insult Hatton."

Your other initial contention was that my statement to Irish was hypocritical in light of my post calling Hatton emo, but apparently even you were able to recognize the fallacy of that claim once an explanation was laid out to you in a manner which your inferior mind could more easily process.

Anyway, if the insult is accurate, why would you take such issue with it?

Secondly, I'm actually 100% certain you were completely unaware of the facts I stated prior to reading it here, that's not based on my arrogance but rather the ignorant statements made by you prior to my backing up what I said. That has more to do with how informed you show yourself to be than how esoteric these facts are. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if you still don't fully understand them.

Well, let's see.. how about with regards to monogyny? Humans are sexually dimorphous mammals - men having larger bodies and brains - and thus according to biology, we are polygynous creatures. You argued in the past that it shouldn't be difficult to believe that any guy would be happy having sex with one woman for the rest of his life; aside from your own personal delusions and/or lack of libido, a more correct statement from an actual biological perspective would be that it is difficult to believe any male with a healthy libido COULD be happy having sex with one woman for the rest of his life.

I like the subtle appeal to authority argument you used there, btw. Made me chuckle. I feel like I'm talking to a 4th grader.

Of course, you've already shown that your ability to discern information from what you read is lacking.

I'm sure Irish appreciates the apologia on his behalf. Surely now he'll recognize your worth and agree to marry you.

It is pretty amusing to watch you, a wannabe progressive, bend over backwards to excuse someone who is not only acknowledged by many on this forum as being racist (see, I can do it too!) but has actually been banned from forums (including this one AFAIK) for racist comments in the past.

 

Uh, Irish's statement was this:

That has nothing to do with misogyny, it's fairly clear he's making a sarcastic point about Muslim men committing suicide (likely specifically related to suicide bombings) and/or crying/losing check of their emotions.

Are you really so oblivious that you believe Irish is a feminist, or has never made comments along the lines of what I said about Hatton in the past?

So you can't use the "wahh, ad hominem attack" tack to avoid the point I made, let me restate it for you with polite language:

"I have never brought up anything about my religion specifically even once on this forum here. It is ALWAYS, ALWAYS Irish who brings up my religion. I merely defended my religion when it was brought up by others. Unlike you, I am not a relentless proselytizer of my beliefs. If another poster mocked you for being an atheist or mocked atheists in reference to you, I wouldn't feel the need to talk about how atheists are wrong and stupid and then on top of that turn around & act like I was engaging in an intellectual critique of atheism."

Now that you have nothing to cry about, I think you can concede my point is correct and that you were being a dumbass.


Aside from that, you are being dishonest about what I said to suit your worthless arguments. What I said was:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but first of all I was referring to you being OK with Irish doing that, not you doing it yourself - see

Secondly, your point would be invalid either way, to anyone who is capable of recognizing the difference between "hating someone" and "hating on someone" in the vernacular.

Addressed all of this above

The difference between crying incessantly out of self-pity and crying once out of joy are readily apparent to me, I could go into them at a deeper level but it's really neither here nor there to me. I don't see it as the same, but if you want to call Floyd a fag or a woman or whatever for it, go ahead, I could really give a fuck less. I'm not going to say, make fun of you for your beliefs over it or anything.

 

opcorn:

 

Your entire argumentative style consists of putting words in my mouth (i.e. "you said that crying isn't feminine") and then challenging them

It's ridiculous.

All I can tell you is that if you were 1/100 as bright as you clearly believe yourself to be, you would have died yesterday at the age of 56

You will gladly sit here for the next 10 years and debate this issue

At the end of the day, here's where it is at:

Anybody who thinks that a person who feels sad and has a cry or two after suffering a difficult setback in life is weak and faggy is an asshole. And yes, a multi-millionaire is entitled to to feel blue and shed a tear.

Now, fuck off back to admiring the smell of your own farts

 

Nah, I would've gotten bored of making you look stupid sooner or later.

Also, there are a lot of people in this world who are much more intelligent than Steve Jobs (Woz being one of them)

 

Hard to get bored of something when you haven't started doing it

Yes and Steve Jobs was much more intelligent than you, that's the point

 

I figured this guy to be 15, 16 years old at best.

 

The tennis player??:34:

 

How could you possibly know that?

And even if that were the case, why would you believe someone who you perceive as being so arrogant assign themselves the exact intelligence level of Steve Jobs, when there are objectively far more intelligent people in this world?

That was a pretty retarded attempt at an insult.

 

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