"I see myself stopping Canelo" - Danny Jacobs

Our collective obsession.

 

Crawford is better than Canelo at every single facet of the sport.

 

He has not yet proven himself better at what may be the most important facet of the sport - beating elite competition. He is yet to do that.

 

Yeah I'd agree with that too. Even when he does open up, it's not like he's Roy in there

Regarding him only being able to do so much, again going back to stamina, I think his gas tank stops him from being able to put a sustained beating on someone. Just like Double said, he's breathing heavily after throwing 5 power shots

 

I'd have to agree with that too. Not entirely sold on Crawford tbh, because I'm highly unimpressed with his level of competition. The only person he's beat that's anywhere near an elite fighter is Gamboa, and his size played a key role in that fight. Plus look at Gamboa since then - an elite fighter he is not.

Also to me Crawford is more about fundamental skill and technique than talent. Does he have talent? Of course, but not an exceptional level. At world level, I'd say his speed, power, and agility are nothing special. It's his technique and craft that makes him good.

 

If Terence proved to be a legit welter and fought on fairly even terms with Spence - win or lose - how would you fancy his chances against the fat legged Ginger at 154?

 

Preach!

Back to canelo though...he has a great deal of ring intelligence...his only problem is stamina/workrate. His lack of stamina is what makes it seem at times that he's run out of ideas...but it's not that, he's just taking a breather.

 

"Great deal of ring intelligence"? He looked completely lost against Floyd for the entire fight, and that was nothing to do with stamina. He also looked clueless against Golovkin for most of the fight, and that wasn't just stamina.

He made no adjustments in either fight. He fights the same way every round, against every opponent. It either works well or it doesn't.

Canelo is very good at reacting to openings. Sharp counters with speed and power, that's his forte. A "great deal of ring intelligence" is not Canelo in the slightest.

 

Most people are completely lost when they fight Floyd. So I can't hold that against him.

As for the GGG fight....again, you saw a different fight from what I did. Canelo didn't look clueless AT ALL. He just couldn't maintain a high workrate. If his workrate was higher he would have won without a shadow of a doubt.

 

Never know. Let's say canelo didn't have horrible stamina and he managed to throw more punches. It is highly possible ggg would've found more openings as a result, and beaten him even more easily than he did.

 

The degree of hatred for canelo kinda puzzles me. Is it because he's so handsome and timmy looking?

 

You are right Mr Nietzsche. Pretty much everything comes down to word definition, not just at FB but everywhere.

However, IMO it is clearly wrong to say that Canelo is better at boxing based on him having the edge for two rounds. That way Amir Khan is pretty much the perfect boxer, if only could he keep it up for 12 or 15 rounds

 

Agree with this btw. He is much better than most would want him to be

 

The problem is, people say that so much, that he's now NOT as good as people want him to be.

There's nobody who denies that he has good offensive ability, and a solid chin.

But it's not "hate" to say that his stamina is shitty, and that he's not a multi-dimensional fighter. That's fact.

 

It's a good point, ja. As was your earlier one about stamina. It's a shame to see such a keen mind succumb to the sort of base anti-Panamanian bigotry you go in for

 

I think his approach to boxing is not very appealing. His strategy for winning seems to take into account the judges' favoritism towards him. He does not fight to win. And that aside, he got a decision that in the eyes of many he did not deserve. That's always going to piss people off.

 

Other thing is, it is probable that canelo's inactivity not only keeps his energy on a par with his opponents, but that it actually provides him an advantage in energy. Thus, if he had something like a typical punch output, and surrendered that advantage, he may have been knocked out against GGG.

 

Well said.

 

To me it's really easy to see why. I've always been surprised you like him actually, we generally have similar taste in fighters.

For starters he's the single most protected fighter in boxing, that's reason alone. He's also a hardcore cherry picker. Liam Smith and Khan at middleweight? Really?

And ultimately, I just find his style thoroughly unappealing. As I've said, he clearly has ability. But he's just so boring to watch. Whether it's solely stamina or not, I find him very boring to watch, and I don't think he's ever been in a good fight.

So in summary - heavily hyped, heavily protected, overrated, gift decisions, ducking, cherry picking, and boring spurt fighter to boot.

Even his looks are overrated. His facial structure is OK, but he has these beady little eyes with nothing behind them, no soul

 

dead eyes like a dolls eyes.

I don't like him that much btw, im basically totally neutral on him. Which tends to set me in opposition to the hardcore hatred of him on here most the time, I guess. A bit like how obama gets cast as left wing

 

Interesting, I thought you were somewhat of a fan. You've always spoken highly of him and defended him. I remember years ago I was saying I didn't think much of him, and you were saying he's much better than he looks, and anyone who barely drops rounds must be legit etc.

 

Aye I think he's good, but I doubt my opinion of him is that much higher than yours and ive never been a huge fan of him as a guy to watch

 

Statement like this prove why it's worthless to discuss Canelo with you. Your hatred of him is so virulent that your unable to asses him rationally

 

Such a good performance, that

 

No. Canelo invariably did better in the exchanges. GGG simply threw far more punches, jabs specifically (most missed though) . Canelo's lack of workrate was the only reason the fight appeared to many to go GGGs way

 

Loved quint but the bastard deserved to die after he broke the radio and then proceeded to cause the engine of the boat to blow up

 

Most of Canelo's punches missed too

 

Still had a higher connect rate though