Lemieux vs Rosado: Final Predictions

youre one of the few guys entertained by wards fights

 

It's like the 10th time he's made this brain dead statement.

 

His schooling of Froch was pretty entertaining, and his ass whuppin of Dawson was entertaining.

Most of his other fighters have been non-compelling.

 

He's far less entertaining than Floyd, it isn't even close.

He's hideous to watch, and Floyd is generally a joy to watch.

 

Forget Floyd being more exciting than Ward, I'd like to know in what alternate universe is Ward better than a prime Hopkins.

Pretty sure a prime Hopkins doesn't go the distance with Allen Green.

 

i wasnt that thrilled with the froch fight. it was ok seeing froch treated as the incompetent, talentless scumbag he is, but nothing i wanted to rewatch. i was at the dawson fight, and was bored. almost left before it was over

 

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he meant better at Super Mario Bros. or something?

 

yes it would be because those other guys are completely average

 

He just says shit to say shit

 

It isn't even a controversial statement. Ward has beaten better fighters than Hopkins and he's never come close to losing. Hopkins had trouble with guys as mediocre as Allen and Mercado (lost imo). Most importantly, he's just better than Hopkins. Fall in love with the longevity, but equating that to fighting ability is flawed.

 

I rebember that a few years ago, Mike was saying that Kessler was better than Hopkins.

 

Yep. I still believe that the best Kessler is better than the best Hopkins. That opinion will stay in the minority because Kessler hasn't gone on to greatness. However, his win over Froch is as good as any of Hopkins' wins.

 

:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

I've been having a shitty day. I really really really needed this laugh.

Thanks, Mike!

 

If you find that opinion so funny, you deserve to have many shitty days. What was that win of Hopkins that was better than Kessler's Froch win, again?

 

Trinidad, De La Hoya & Tarver immediately come to mind. Could throw in Pavlik as well.

 

That DLH win was pretty goddamned weak, it should be said... a bunch of nothing followed by a suspicious looking bodyshot KO against a guy who looked pretty shit at the weight to begin with

Defeating Froch is more impressive to me than that bullshit

Hopkins is definitely overrated all-time but I don't agree that Kessler is a better fighter than he was at his best (same goes for Ward) ... Bernard in the late 90s or so was a hell of a middleweight... He didn't turn into a negative, cynical goon until the 2000s

 

I do kind of agree that Hopkins doesn't have the greatest wins, but still, I'm not sure a very close decision over Frock is better than any of Nard's.

It is better than Oscar though, that fight was bullshit.

I'm not that impressed with the Tito win either, people act like it's really impressive. It's obvious Nard would school a 1 dimensional, lead footed WW puncher.

I'm more impressed with Nard's later wins, especially given his age. Tarver, Pavlik and Pascal are very impressive.

And Hopkins would have beaten Kessler easily.

 

Tito was universally considered top 3 P4P when Hopkins destroyed him. And P4P, he was a better fighter than Froch could ever dream to be.

Saying Ward is better than prime Hopkins is bad. But Kessler????????????

I always a Kessler fan, but the FACT is........ a prime Hopkins would have beaten the Hell outta Kessler badly.

 

I disagree.

Froch has claimed the scalps of Champions from across no fewer than three weight divisions. Middleweight, Super Middle and Light-Heavy.

Froch, whom I do not even like, has two stoppage wins over a guy who beat the 2008 Olympic Gold Medalist. It's a brace of his WORST victories. Two of his least important wins are over a guy who will probably go on to win a world title.

He beat, in an absolute thriller, a guy who would go on to draw with Hopkins and beat Dawson.

He beat a guy who had challenged at 160, 168 and 175.

His two losses are close decisions, one of which he avenged, in great style. The other, he finished the fight stronger and has campaigned for a rematch.

You look at Trinifad, the guy never fought Quartey. He lost to Oscar. He beat a one-eyed guy in David Reid and it turns out his fucking gloves were loaded the whole time.

The Vargas win was great, but the wraps issue is still there. And Vargas was a young, dumb, emotive fighter.

If Trinidad had the balls to fight Froch at 168, he would have been wasted.

 

That only proves how obscenely overrated he was. Obscenely. He was never close to being one of the 3 best fighters in the world.

And the reason the win doesn't carry that much weight apart from Tito being absurdly overrated, is Tito was a WW. The fight looked like a middleweight Vs a big welterweight.

 

:mut: ^

 

NOBODY was saying Tito wasn't a legit middleweight until AFTER the Hopkins fight.

There was NOBODY questioning his credibility as a middleweight after he damn near killed Joppy.

 

I would hope so. Froch is the much bigger man.

Hence, why I said P4P.

Prime Vargas was a better fighter than Froch as well, P4P.

Froch has gone from UNDERRATED for many years, to now being extremely OVERRATED.

 

It really doesn't matter. We can see that now, he was not a middleweight, and didn't accomplish anything at middleweight.

Joppy was a smallish middleweight and an idiot, just stood there and let Tito hit him.

 

If you look at the tape, he just drops his hands and lets himself get hit with that first big left-hook.

 

Froch could jab and move when he wanted to, so that means in a hypothetical P4P match-up with Tito Trinidad he'd win a decision

 

Oh for fuck's sake. You should be rolling on the floor laughing at this one.

 

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you'd think froch were some Ukrainian octopussy after reading hyperbole like this

 

No, it's actually quite true. Prime Vargas is very underrated, and Froch is currently overrated. Nando circa 98-00 was a better fighter than Froch ever was.