Leonard vs Floyd at 147... with one important caveat...

Lawd have mercy, you're an idiot.

Foreman was much bigger than Marciano, EXTREMELY POWERFUL and Marciano was very hittable.

Leonard is not a "foremanesque" puncher, the size difference between him and Floyd isn't anywhere near as significant, AND Floyd is extremely elusive not to mention has a solid chin.

You're incredibly stupid. Arguing with you is like arguing with a rock.

 

You're right Sly.... Mosley had plenty left in the tank against Floyd, Duran was at his very best against Laing, and Montreal was an aberration.

 

I would say that arguing with you is LIKE arguing with a man who knows zero about boxing... but it's not LIKE that. It truly is arguing with a man who knows nothing about boxing and who's incredibly blind worship of Floyd Mayweather is appauling.

I've repeated it a thousand times before.... you are not a BOXING FAN... you're a Mayweather fan.

 

I'm right that you're an idiot. That's for sure.

Duran's post lightweight career includes fights in which he didn't look as good as he did in Montreal. Fact. So we can't just use how he looked in Montreal when he was particularly inspired and Leonard fought Duran's fight. We have to look at how Duran coped with a variety of styles. Floyd wouldn't have just gone to war with him you dunce. Duran didn't do well with slick boxers/...who actually tried to box him.

 

It would be highly improbable since hagler walked through bombs by Hearns and Mugabe. So his chin is proven against offensive threats of that calibre. Otoh Floyd has been hurt before and never fought an offensive threat in prime Leonard's galaxy. So we have zero reason to rule it out

and i know floyd isnt mcneely, the comparison was between the structure of logical fallacies, not fighters.

 

Speaking of Hagler.... you'd still favor Floyd over Hagler?

 

You can repeat it another 1000 times if you wish...wouldn't make it true. In fact it's stupid that you keep saying that. Floyd has been retired for so long now and I'm still commenting on fights.

It's obvious from our predictions over the years that not only am I a fan of boxing but I tend to predict fights with more accuracy than you...simply because I understand the sport better then you even though I've watched less fights.

You predict only based on who you like better. You're a cunt.

 

Oooooft ::

 

Floyd has never been dropped before. Never been close to being stopped. Leonard was not a knockout monster, by his own admission. Therefore don't talk to me about logical fallacies.

 

Objection. Irrelevant.

Sustained.

 

No. Highly relevant. This isn't a Tyson thread that turned into a Floyd thread. It's a Floyd thread. Anything Floyd related is fair game.

Did you not once claim that Floyd would beat Hagler?

 

Leonard was among the best finishers in the entire history of the sport and punched hard enough to hurt floyd (as old man mosley did). Leonard by knock out wouldn't be my pick but it's self evidently a feasible outcome

 

Objection. Argumentative. Floyd vs Hagler isn't on trial here?

Sustained.

 

It's a MORE than feasible outcome if Floyd traded with him.

I said, Floyd would likely go the distance if he remained defensive.

To pretend that he could war with Leonard, and there's no chance of him getting stopped, is comical.

 

Put it this way- I don't think floyds chin was as good as benitez'

 

Going back to a previous statement you made, regarding Floyd's power. No, he's not pillow fisted, but he couldn't hurt Leonard at 147. Not only did Floyd not hit like Hearns or Duran, Benitez had more pop at 147 than Floyd and he hit Leonard with plenty of clean shots... with no reaction from Ray.

Floyd couldn't hurt or even buzz a prime Leonard.

 

It's not feasible at all. Mosley hurt Floyd with a punch that caught him out of position...an overhand right when Floyd's chin was up and his body was unbalanced. One in a million shot. Shane put all his muster on that punch. Floyd never went down and recover in seconds. Bert Cooper stunned Holyfield badly with a similar type shot in their fight. Those types of shots scramble the brain of any fighter. Lennox Lewis, Tyson never managed to come close to stopping Holyfield.

You can't go by one off shit like that. You have to look at patterns.

Leonard doesn't throw that kind of punch...Shane's known for it.

 

Based on WHAT?

 

THIS I disagree with. Floyd has a better chin than Will.

But I'd argue that welterweight Benitez was MORE elusive than Floyd.

I think Leonard would find Floyd easier to find than Benitez.

 

There's NO poster on this forum that defends their "guy" as blindly as Sly does Floyd. Not REED with Roy. Not me with Tyson. Not Hut with Duran.

This man will jock Floyd to the ends of the Earth.

 

Nonsense.

It's just not "acceptable" to defend Floyd...but it's acceptable to defend Jones, Duran and whomever else. It's a popularity thing, nothing more.

I defend Ali far more than I defend Floyd but no one bats an eyelid at that...because it's Ali. Shit...my avatar is Ali and not even Floyd. As YOU know (because we have this in common) my top 3 favourite fighters ever are Ali, Jones and Tyson. People just don't care if I defend or promote those guys. But Floyd...he's the devil apparently.

 

Preach.

Hut is my boy...but after saying this I realize that this conversation is futile.

 

'One off shit' is liable to happen when you actually fight guys who pose a decent offensive threat. Kinda the point.

and shane buckled floyd's legs twice in that round, not once

 

Going 59.95 rounds with Hearns, leonard, duran and palomino and never having his legs wobbled worse than floyd did in the second vs mosley until a point where he was beyond exhausted (and even then he got up on pretty steady legs). At worst their chins were about the same, my instinct is prime Benitez took a shot a bit better

 

ok buddy.

 

Yeah, I know, hardly the calibre of fighter floyd proved his furnace tempered jaw against is it

 

Yeah Floyd survived 49 fights, 5 weight classes, and various hard punchers without ever being dropped and well into his late 30s....by the same accident that started the universe from nothing.

 

The two right hands that had Floyd on Queer Street against Mosley delivered by Leonard???... If and when Leonard hurts Floyd in the fight, there's a very good chance Mayweather suffers Benitez's fate.

 

PR...that logic doesn't work in boxing. You know that. Sigh....

"The left hook that had Ali on Queer Street against Cooper delivered by Frazier???... If and when Frazier hurts Ali in the fight, there's a very good chance Ali suffers Ellis's fate"

etc etc etc


Contrary to popular opinion, the first Mosley right hand against Floyd in round 2 was a "WOW" punch, but it didn't put Mayweather on "queer street". The 2nd one did...but only for a moment. Mosley's right hand is thrown differently to Leonard's right hand....Mosley's right hand is more powerful than Leonard's right hand (Leonard's power punch was his left hook...and Mosley has always put mustard on that right hand)...and besides all of that there's no guarantee Leonard throws that exact same punch at that exact same time. All in all, this is ridiculous logic.

Now...if Floyd had a habit of getting hurt/dazed in fights and was in peril of being stopped at least once, you'd have a point.

 

And again, if floyd had fought more than one or two guys tops that had anything like mosley's combo of speed and power that appeal to numbers would have legs. But he didnt and it doesn't