Marquez V Vazquez - size/weight/power/just better?

Do you feel like Israel Vazquez is simply the better fighter? Or bigger? More powerful?

Although Rafael came up from 118, he certainly didn't look the smaller fighter. Israel was a tad shorter and didn't look any "bigger" to me.

In the first fight Marquez simply looked liked like the slightly better, more skilled, more complete fighter.

However - one thing I noticed - was that Vazquez did seem to have an edge in power despite Marquez being an even more vaunted puncher. Not only the knockdown, but almost everytime he landed that left hook flush he would rattle marquez.

Conversely - Marquez was landing HUGE right hands, you could see the head flipping, and hear the thwacks, and Israel was taking them remarkably well.

The only time Vazquez was hurt in the 1st fight was that left hook to the body that sent him to the ropes.

I thought the fight would look just the same as last time, except Marquez' hard, sharp shots would take their toll by about the 9th round and he'd take Vazquez out.

However, Vazquez did seem to have that edge in power again. His left hook was consistently hurting Marquez, and Marquez' right hand not as much.

They are both excellent fighters, I think Vazquez' power prevailed. It just shows what an edge in power can do in an evenly matched fight like this.

It seemed to me more an edge in power than an edge in chin, what do you think? Neither of them have glass chins, or granite chins imo.

 

Although Marquez can fight on the insidde, the majority of his big power comes when's he's able to put some extension on his shots and throw in combinations. He doesn't need room like a Kostya Tszyu for example, but he likes setting things up with the jab. Vazquez has a slightly better chin imo and keet pressing Marquez to get on the inside where he's more effective, and Marquez' power is less dangerous.

 

Yep, that's true. A left hook by nature is a close quarters weapon, and Marquez needs full extension on that right hand to get proper power. HIs left hook is OK, but his right hand is the money punch. He has pretty long arms for his height too.

You think it was an edge in chin and close quarters power that did it for Vazquez?

 

Well i think it's the edge in chin that lets him get to close quarters. Marquez should double up his jab more and keep that damn right hand up.

 

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Strength and chin are the difference in the 2. Not to mention Marquez is the better boxer, HOWEVER, his defense is noting special.

 

Another problem is Marquez footwork. He's very fluid in the upper body when throwing shots or sometimes even slipping. However he fights like he's wearing ankle weights. A "bullish" type fighter that wants to work on the inside can take advantage of that if they are able to sustain his power shots.

 

At times Marquez almost reminds me of Morales, a great boxer puncher with crap defense, a good jab and right hand, but doesn't really use his ability to it's potential.

Yet a prime Morales, as much of a war machine as he was, was more fleet footed. Marquez does appear to be pretty heavy on his feet, despite being a smaller man.

Vazquez impressed me, he is one tough little bastard with a great left hook.

Looking at that fight yesterday, it's amazing that he was stopped by Larios.

 

The man is basically asking to get dropped backwards, and Vasquez's hook is the perfect tool for that...he showed it in both fights. For a while now, Marquez looks like he's trying to pose like one of the army men statues with a wide but mostly two-dimensional base.

 

Incidentally - does anyone know why Vazquez ditched Roach for this fight?

 

I still feel that Marquez is the more powerful and complete boxer of the two. Yet, obviously his chin isn't as sturdy as Vasquez's, which was the difference in the fight. I also feel Marquez may have taken Vasquez a bit lightly this go around and wasn't as prepared as he was in their first fight. After the first round in between rounds, I noticed him already breathing heavy and having a concerned look on his face. His combos weren't bad, but not as sharp as they had been in their previous fight, and his jab wasn't as effective. But I guess you can say that was due to Vasquez making adjustments in between fights and being more aggressive than he was early in their first fight. Israel was doing a good job of keeping his hands up and blocking a lot of head shots.

 

Better boxer yes, more powerful no.

Even in the first fight it was obvious that Marquez had more consistent power in his full range of punches, BUT, it was also obvious that Vazquez' left hook is harder than anything Marquez throws imo. Not by a huge amount, but I think it is harder than Marquez' right hand.

 

Vasquez has a deceiving left hook,at times it looks like he puts no power in it but when it lands it does weird things to his opponents.

 

Put it this way. If Vasquez had Marquez's chin he would have been KO'd cold in both fights.

 

Marquez has good power, but Vasquez has a very good chin.. You can tell by all the damage done to Israel's face that Marquez can pop even above 118.


But did anyone else noticed how uncomfortable Marquez seemed between rounds after the 1st round? He was breathing heavy and had a pained expression. Maybe it was just the pace or the power of Vasquez, but I wouldn't be suprised to hear that something else might have been going on.

 

The fact that his wife is pregnant also could have had something to do with him being not as focused/prepared for this fight as he was in the original match.

 

Ahhh. I missed that in your post... Glad to see I wasn't imagining things. He wasn't right after the first round..

 

sure it has been said - Marquez has more power but his chin is not as good so he can be hurt throughout whereas Vazquez has to be worn down over some rounds.

 

to me they both seem about equal in power, chin, and skill.

I just think when they fight it's about who can hurt who the most. Both have enough heart and will show it.

IN the first fight Marquez managed to fuck up Vazquez' nose to the point where he stopped him. It wasn't a freak accident. It was Rafa's damage that did it.

In this second fight Vazquez hurt Rafa early and didn't let him off the hook.

If they meet a third time it will be the same thing. Either guy has the skill and power to hurt the other.

I don't see one guy being superior to the other.

After the first fight Most were picking Marquez easly in the rematch.

Now some are acting like Vazquez was always the better fighter.:dunno:

 

some are even suggesting they are equal in chin... :dunno: u never know with these folks on here...

 

I think both are powerful enough were the chin factor becomes secondary.

Vazquez has showned more chin but against Rafa's power it doesn't matter. They are both pretty fast as well.

I think whoever wins the rubber match will obviously be considered the better fighter but I still think it's a toss up going into the third fight.

 

i really can't follow that logic at all... or better i can follow and think it's absolutely wrong.

Chin only helps against lesser punchers or what?? :dunno:

 

I think Vazquez has an edge in power and chin. Both of them not a huge edge, but they obviously proved to be significant. And of course he is a great infighter, where as Marquez needs some range.

I would pick Vazquez in the 3rd fight.

Quite simply he is a LOT more capable of hurting Marquez than vice versa. Marquez used his power and sharp punches to bust Israel up fair and square in the first fight, no doubt. But the only time in both fights Israel has been hurt was by left hooks to the body, and that was momentary.

In last night's fight Israel looked great, maybe the nose really was a problem, and he was hurting marquez with every clean left hook he threw.

So based on that, I think it would only be a matter of time until Vazquez hurt and finished Marquez in the 3rd fight.

Unless of course Marquez can badly break his nose again ::

 

I agree. I would also have to favor Vasquez in a 3rd fight.

 

You have to after that performance. I haven't seen Vasquez look that good in a while. We'll see how Marquez can rebound. As early as the second round I was saying it really didn't look like he was going to be able to take Vasquez's shots over the distance.

 

Marquez is more skilled but Vasquez is more powerful.

 

I'd say strength is even. The difference is chin.

Guys who don't have sturdy chins shouldn't get into shootouts with guys with equal power and a better chin.

 

Vaquez' left-hook is more powerful than anything Marquez throws, so I don't think the chin is that much of a factor, Marquez has proven he has good whiskers as well.

Power is the key here.

 

Interesting, Vasquez clearly looks stronger to me when he gets inside.

 

80%? I remember people were pretty pissed with Karl for trashing Vasquez, that's about it.