What transpires? The general viewpoint here would be that Shane wins, I'm sure. But I would have picked Canelo (if he was prime back then) over Shane without a moment's hesitation. Most of you know that I never though Shane was as good as the hype and was one of the very few that expected Forrest to beat him. Canelo is all wrong for that speedy slick slugger.
I think this depends on how good Canelo's chin is. If it is very good, then I pick him to outwork Mosley. However Mosley of this time wasn't in his prime anymore, but he hit very hard. Canelo does get hit, and I can see him running into counters too many times, the same way Margarito did. Plus, not to be a dick D&M but I remember you picking Margarito over Mosley with the same kind of argument. To me, that fight demonstrated that pressure is not the ideal way to beat Mosley. Then again, Mosley of the second Oscar fight might be just the right guy to capture a close decision over Canelo who usually doesn't lose them
If you're so confident of Ginger victory, then match him with prime Mosley of 00-01. Prime Mosley beats Canelo up and I'd wager stops him late. I say that without a SECOND of hesitation. Faarrrrr too fast for Ginger, and Mosley didn't have alligator arms like Cotto. I don't even think it'd be that competitive. Mosley would light him up. And please, don't give him some bullshit about Canelo's supposedly new defense....
Sly really is overrating Canelo to ABSURD levels... You wanna put it into perspective? Consider this..... FADED Mosley ran PEAK Cotto to the brink (arguably a draw, though I had Cotto edging it 7-5). PEAK Canelo had a competitive win over OLD, FADED Cotto. Think about that.
You are correct and not beating a dick at all. I was positive that Margarito was going to beat Shane. I don't deny it. I thought he'd be able to take Shane's punches. I mean Cotto took Shane's punches and beat him and Margarito head to head with Cotto suggested that he (Margarito) had the better chin. So yes, I was shocked by that. I guess the difference between Margarito and Canelo is that the former gets hit way too much and Canelo has decent D.
Mosley was the MOST overrated fighter ever in the history of message boards...and he's still overrated to this day evidently. He wasn't that good. Said it then (while he was still undefeated) and I'm saying it now. Canelo would have whupped that ass.
Means nothing. This supposed "old, faded Cotto" who you thinking could possibly knock out Canelo....would have beaten that Mosley too.
Canelo didn't really "whup the ass" of a fucking 40 YEAR OLD Mosley! Hit him with everything but the kitchen sink and Shane was NEVER in danger of being stopped. If Canelo were the puncher you think he is, he'd have gotten rid of a 40-year-old Mosley, or at least put him in some SERIOUS trouble. Can you imagine a young Trinidad teeing off on a shot Mosley all night? Shane might not be with us right now. There's no need in even breaking down prime Mosley vs Canelo. It'd be a waste of time. In short - Canelo wouldn't deal with Mosley's handspeed well, nor his body attack. Shane would CONSISTENTLY beat him to the punch, and he'd constantly win exchanges. Canelo would land, but if he can't hurt a SHOT Mosley, what in your delusional groupie mind makes you think he can damage a young Mosley? And I know in your groupie mind you think Canelo has the chin of Jake Lamotta, but he isn't just eating Mosley's right hand all night without any effects. Not when you add in the fact that Mosley would be punishing his body as well. Mosley stops him on accumulation. Circa 10-12. Ginger might not hit the canvas, but he'd be so overwhelmed by the handspeed that eventually he'd be hurt and Mosley would close him out. I'm not exaggerating when I say Canelo has NO CHANCE against circa 00-01 Mosley. I think you're the only one on here delusional enough to pick Canelo in such a matchup. But then again, I almost forgot, I'm talking to a guy who once said that Mamadou Thiam would beat Mosley.... and was actually SERIOUS about that. Your opinions on Mosley mean NOTHING.
Did you ever see PRIME SUPERFAST Shane Mosley against Wilfred Rivera? That fight was a toss up until the late KO. Shane's handspeed was JUST handspeed....and he was a spurt fighter. Canelo is a better boxer than Shane. I never said Canelo would stop Shane...in fact he would NOT stop Shane. Shane was tough as nails. I'm saying he would have beaten him...obviously not as easily as he did when they fought but it would have been 7-5 or 8-4.
Shane Mosley was, is and will always be overrated. He was a limited fighter with fast hands, good chin and decent power. That's it.
I was also the only one "delusional enough" to pick Forrest over Mosley. Everyone thought I was nuts...seeing as Shane was the supposed 2nd coming of Sugar Ray Robinson. Canelo would have beaten Shane every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Ginger is simply a better fighter than Slugger Shane ever was. Boxing fans are often fooled by blazing handspeed.
Mosley was overrated pre-Forrest. He never was in the league of either Sugar, and that's alright. Doesn't mean he wasn't a great fighter. He was a class above Canelo. Outside of size, there is literally NO advantage in the world Canelo has over prime Mosley. And his size would do nothing but prolong the amount of damage he takes. Your ramblings are bordering on madness at this point. I'm almost scratching my head on why I'm even debating this.
I feel the same way. I thought Shane was exposed as a one dimensional brawler with fast hands and cute antics 14 years ago. I was telling people this long before he fought Forrest and Wright...I can't believe I still have to explain this in 2015. It should be self evident by now. Shane had low IQ and had NO JAB..even Lampley and Manny Stewart and other commentators came to realize this. And you call Canelo a spurt fighter....Shane was just as bad. Difference is Canelo is smarter than Shane and can actually box....as well as being bigger. I would bet $10,000 on this fight, if we got a time machine.
Mosley would win because Canelo wouldn't be able to deal with the hand speed. He probably doesn't stop him but he'd win a clear UD. And I'm not even overrating Mosley. He's just a better fighter than Canelo.
I dunno if you've gotten the latest Fightbeat memo since Saturday. Canelo would beat the Lamotta IV version of Ray Robinson. His performance in winning an 8-4 decision over a faded, smaller Cotto is truly one of histories finest masterclasses. Canelo is soooooooooooooo far improved from getting white washed by Floyd that the loss should be expunged from his record. He was simply Canelo back then. After Saturday, he's morphed into THE Canelo.
Handspeed is easily nullified if it is JUST handspeed. That's all it was with Shane. Shane had all these antics: pivots, head movement....but they were meaningless and were not used to actually avoid punches but just used for style to make him appear slick. They served no actual purpose. Canelo's edge in boxing and smarts would counter Shane's handspeed easily....and it's not as though Canelo is slow.
Don't even bother responding to him anymore PR. This is a man who once stated that Mamadou Thiam would beat Mosley, and that Mayorga would give him a beating. He's more irrational in his Mosley hate than any other poster on this forum is their hate of any one fighter. It's even worse than MWS's irrational hate of Tszyu. Plus, he currently has a Canelo love affair.
My Brother, 'dem be fightin' words! Sorry, but Shane was all sizzle no substance. He beat a prime De La Hoya fair and square but the sun shines on even a dogs ass. Oscar fought the only fight that would have allowed Shane to beat him. Still I give Shane props for that one. I thought Oscar won the rematch handily and was robbed. Mosley struggled with Basic, mediocre Wilfred Rivera...just slugs it out with him as he always did. His wins over Diaz, Taylor and Stone were meaningless...three bums....and he just overpowered them anyway, there was no boxing skill on display. Forrest was his first true test, post De la Hoya, a guy he couldn't overpower and a guy that would box him. He failed miserably. Canelo would have beaten Shane left right and centre.
Neil, be nice to Canelo. We all know the lad isn't yet a middleweight... What's funny is, from what I remember about Canelo beating Mosley, the fight was competitive early. After the first half is when Canelo's youth took over. So Sly wants us to believe that a Mosley who had TWO FEET in the grave could be competitive with Canelo early, but a PEAK Mosley gets his ass whupped? The guy has no idea how much he NEVER makes sense. The ONLY question in Canelo vs prime Mosley is does Ginger last the distance. Either way, he eats shots all night long.
Canelo is a good fighter. But had he been around from 97-2002, he'd have been little more than a NAME on the resume of fighters. I think David Reid would have beaten him. Fernando Vargas as well. Oscar would have out speeded him and probably stopped him late. Trinidad would have given him a brutal career altering beating. Canelo would have had his hands full in trying to beat guys like Quartey and Mosley as well.
Ahhhhhhh, Canelo was still green, huh? No, he wasn't. That's not even according to me. That's according to YOU. DIRECT quote from you in the "Has Canelo improved thread?" And you QUOTE.... "I see the same fighter I saw beat Shane Mosley. I would have always picked Canelo to virtually dominate Cotto." You've been exposed. Good day to you, sir.
Actually, if Canelo is able to come in at 181 like he did against Cotto, then I could see a competitive affair
