Most/Least aesthetically pleasing P4P fighters

Joe Frazier was a one dimensional one armed left hooking cunt. His left arm was permanently bent so all he could do with it was fucking hook and he had no power in his right hand. If he had fought the pre-exile Ali he would have been another guy on Ali's resume that we would have overlooked. He's have been another Ernie Terrell. Bonavena knocked him down twice and could have won that first fight...Foreman wasn't the only guy that could get to him.

 

Obviously he lacked the remarkable pugilistic pedigree of Canelo and Victor Ortiz

 

Obviously Frazier is a great fighter, but he gets overrated.

 

Frazier's pretty underrated I'd say, actually. Due to the way he lost to Foreman he tends to get obliterated in mythical match ups by any heavyweight with a dig, which is ridiculous.

 

He was hurt in an awful lot of his fights. Hurt and buzzed routinely. I think he was a very good fighter and a worthy champion but there is creeping into this Frazier thing a hint of the Marciano...as if the man was some indomitable, immovable force. The fight he really should have lost was the first Quarry fight where Quarry was under orders to box but decided to brawl to prove himself.

 

"Oh, there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin' 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out they ass. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano! Rocky Marciano! Let me tell you something, once and for all-Rocky Marciano was good; but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't shit."

 

Frazier is the most underrated great fighter of all time and sly proves it every time he posts about the guy

 

LMAO quarry had two shots at Frazier and got BATTERED both times... What a load of crap

 

And Sly, if you paused to consider the context, you would see I was agreeing with the overrating.

And besides, these days we pull Klitschkos, Povetkin, Fury, Lyakhovich etc out our ass.

 

WHERE DID I SAY OTHERWISE YOU DRUNKEN MICK :dunno:

 

How can Frazier be underrated when mooks consistently rate him as greater than Mike Tyson, for one thing?

 

I know you were agreeing...I just wanted an excuse to use that quote.

 

Please you're obviously implying that Quarry would've win had he used a different strategy

 

How can he be overrated when guys like you pick him to get KOd in 2 rounds against every single halfway decent heavyweight ever?

 

No...but he would have showed Joe's limitations up a bit. By way of evidence, apparently Foreman studied tapes of Ron Stander vs Joe and copied Standers left-hook right-hand combo. Georges words not mine. The point being that Joes shortcomings were often shown up by fighters vastly inferior to Joe.

 

You did literally say "the fight he really should've lost was the first Quarry fight..." ::

 

Yeah, that's as clear as "If he had stuck to the gameplan, he would have beaten Frazier" ::

 

Okay, I should have been clearer....Gil Clancy said that. His words...."We had worked on a plan for Jerry to slide away from Joes left but Jerry like the thick-headed Irishman he was wanted to prove how tough he was".

 

Can't stand watching Wlad fight these days. Hugging machine.

Crawford is great to watch.

 

Except he isn't.

And if he is, he's hugging a lot of guys to sleep in 4, 5 rounds.

Ali was a hugger.

 

Well, Wlad has a habit of grabbing his opponents head, holding it and pushing it down. Did he get a point deducted for doing that against Jennings?

 

Yes.

He didn;t lose any points in the Pulev fight {KO4}.

Ali was also warned and warned and warned for holding behind the head. I wonder if he ever had a point taken off for holding.

Wlad moves well for a big man, effortless puncher, his style is one thing, his aesthetics are something else. I think folk confuse the two.

 

Yep, everyone sucks except Floyd. I don't recall Sly saying Jones' style sucked when Roy was still in his prime.

 

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I kind of get what Sly and others are saying regarding Frazier and other fighters, and how a fighter can make exciting fights but be ugly to watch.

Some people may find his squat style, constant bobbing and weaving and hooking style ugly, although I don't.

Mayweather can stink out the joint at times, but is aesthetic in the sense that his movements, punching technique, defense, form, etc...are all a pleasure to watch.

Wlad's constant clinching is ugly, but I like watching him through his straight right hand and left hook. Those 2 punches of his are 1,000 times more aesthetically pleasing to me than anything his brother did.

Some of it comes to preference of course.

Saad was someone who made exciting two-way action fights and I found aesthetically pleasing. He had a good punching form IMO.

 

Exactly. That's the difference.

When I think aesthetically pleasing I'm talking about the aesthetics of his style: the way he fighter punches, moves etc. Whether you like the quality of teh fights the fighters is in or his temperament is another discussion...and one that's been done before ad infinitum.

I love Pacquiao fights, Morales and Barrera fights. But when it comes to a style of fighting that I enjoy watching it has been Joe Louis, Julio Cesar Chavez, Alexis ARguello, Bernard Hopkins, prime Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard.

Some guys fit into both camps, but they are two different discussions.

 

Precisely. These people don;t know the difference between style and aesthetics.

Joe Frazier had awful aesthetics....he looked like he had some sort of a palsy, or St Vitus Dance or something, twitching and bobbing like a float in a pool full of hongry fishes.

Looked like he had worms and was trying to scratch his ass without touching it.

 

Exactly. Well said. You described his style perfectly. Awful aesthetics. Simply awful.

 

Foreman had awful aesthetics too, Ali called him "The Mummy".

Chris Arreola...pleasing style, awful aesthetics. He used to take those little chinese footsteps when he moved forward, jiggling his way forward via millions of little footsteps. It's like he had size 4 feet or something.

I think Red Lopez had great aesthetics up to a point, he was sort of languid and effortless with his power. Sanchez made him look like molasses, but Sanchez himself looked great anyways, real good blend of length, poise and balance.

Guys who push their punches generally look awful. Richard Hall for example.

Nigel Benn....great style, awful aesthetics. Pigeon toed, no legs. By contrast, Eubank could pivot and pose with the best of them.

Hamed when he was younger had effortless moves, as did the vast majority of the dudes who came out of that gym. Johnny Nelson moved really well, threw effortless shots {when he threw them} and had a shitty style.





Norris had great aesthetics. He really was so effortless with some of his shots. His combos in the first round of the Troy Waters fight were brilliant.