Oscar, Tito, Calzaghe & Steele Inducted at the Hall of Fame

Calzaghe was More Naturally TALENTED, but Even w/his "0", REED Thinks Cotto Will Be Remembered More Favorably...

Cotto's Resume VOMITS on Calzaghe's...




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Cotto is Being Under AND Over Rated in this Thread...




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I don't see what he does better... Vargas is better off the backfoot, for sure

Both of them are vulnerable to big punchers

 

I agree.

 

Cotto loses clearly to the same DLH, Trinidad and Wright that Vargas fought... I don't even see how it is debatable

Saying he's anywhere near the class of Ortiz, Benitez, Gomez is complete fiction with nothing to back it up

 

Yep. More under than over though. Cotto is still fucking underrated.

People were calling him shot after getting plastered by Plasterito, and now he's the middleweight champion of the world, and just gave Floyd a tough fight. Cotto is an excellent fighter. He often looks unspectacular and beatable, but he's always been a very effective, solid, well rounded fighter with skill.

How many other middleweights would have just walked through Martinez like that? I know Martinez looked shot, but I'm still not sure that many of the top 10 would have just clowned him like little 5'7 Cotto did, in his first fight at 160.

 

If Cotto is P4P better than Vargas, it ain't by a wide margin. Vargas had comparable talent, and skills to Cotto.

 

As fighters I find them not dissimilar. Both very good, solid fighters, good counterpunchers, but somewhat vulnerable.

Overall I think Cotto is the better of the 2. Vargas was more athletic, Cotto is more sneaky and skilled. Cotto is also more sensible in the ring, and probably has a better chin too.

 

I hate Slappy Joe and the horrible style he had. But he was a better fighter than Cotto, even if Mig is more fun to watch.

 

Lots of middleweights would have beaten Martinez saturday

GGG would have ended it within 5

Cotto being mentioned among Ortiz/Benitez/Gomez, nevermind something as outrageous as "best PR fighter ever" is offensively overrating the guy

 

Of course Gaybox would have blasted him out of there with ease, but Gaybox seems like an exceptional fighter and the clear #1 at 160.

Who else at 160 would have made Martinez look like a total scrub? Even this version of Martinez? Don't forget, Martinez recovered a bit and tried to claw his way back into the fight, but Cotto was too good for him.

 

Martinez could have still beaten an average fighter on Saturday. Which Cotto is NOT, he's a very good fighter.

Me thinks that even Crapnelo would have beaten up the Martinez of Saturday.

 

bullshit. cotto is way better. if vargas thinks he can prove otherwise let him challenge cotto for the middleweight title in november!

 

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, yeah maybe right this minute

 

I'm not sure Vargas could get to the weight with stage 4 cancer.

 

To be honest I don't think he would have done. Cotto was aggressive and sneaky in equal measure on Saturday, and showed pretty good defense too.

Crapnelo wouldn't have jumped on Martinez like Cotto did, he's just a plodding counter puncher - which would probably suit Martinez well, even this shot version with a fucked up knee.

 

alvarez wouldve stopped martinez, lets be serious here

 

Martin Murray damned near prevented this amazing thing from happening

 

Martin Murray beats Cotto right now

 

martin murray didnt have the balls to go for broke when he had a dead man in front of him. if he gets within 10 feet of cotto it will be for an autograph at this point.

 

I thought Murray won that fight actually, though it was very close. Martinez looked shit there too.

I think Cotto beats Murray.

 

Cotto fought a perfect fight against Martinez. Enough with the excuses. Most of us here had Martinez via brutal knockout. Miguel is not getting enough credit for how well he fought.

 

Cotto would beat that bum Quillin. I'll say that much.

 

Agreed.

Maybe I am underrating Canelo, but I just don't think so. Martinez looked shot, but I think he looked extra shit because Cotto jumped on him, and because he found Cotto hard to hit. Cotto has a kind of crouching style and showed sneaky defense on saturday.

He would find Crapnelo easier to hit, and the Ginger is also way more patient than Saturday's Cotto, he'd give Martinez more time to work and find a rhythm.

 

Yeah that's kind of my point. Sure Martinez looked shot, but there's no way most of the top 10 middleweights just walk through him like Cotto did.

Give little Miggles some fucking credit, especially in his first fight at 160.

 

You're probably underrating Crapnelo. He'd beat Saturday night's Martinez.

Don't get it twisted though, Cotto is a better fighter than Crapnelo.

 

I agree.

It was kind of annoying listening to all this stuff about "the first Puerto Rican to win world titles in 4 divisions". Look at the situations and opponents in how he won those titles.

He won the vacant WBO 140 lb. title, against Kelson Pinto.

He won vacant WBA/WBO belts at 147, by beating Carlos Quitana and Michael Jennings. And he won the title at 154 by beating Rabbi Foreman.

His 4 divisional title thing is far inferior to what Benitez did in 3 divisions. He beat Antonio Cervantes, Carlos Palomino, and Maurice Hope.

Likewise, I consider him in the 'very good' category.

 

Mister REED squarely hitting the nail on the head. What an odd thread - one set of people wildly underrating Cotto and another bunch wildly overrating him. Cotto has been a very good fighter for almost a decade, has fought excellent competition and competed very well with most/all of it and won more than he lost. He's a very solid champ who gives most other very solid champs a tough night. He also performed very well against one of the two ATG's he faced - better than almost everyone else has, in fact and he has some very good wins.

MTF :dunno:

 

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