The Daily Obamanation .... ALL ROLLED INTO ONE

not about them...about you. what or which liberties are most important to you? just trying to understand your position.

 

the basic ones, you know, life liberty property, everything in the bill of rights, etc

i should be able to do as i please as long as i dont infringe on others

if you look at individuals, not groups/races etc, you cannot justify universal healthcare or any welfare/big govt program

 

Hey I followed both the 2000 and 2004 elections with just as much interest.

Why does it always have to be a "black thing" with you idiots! :doh:

 

this is impossible. for example, do you think smokers should have the right to smoke anywhere they please?

 

bad example

id be infringing on someones right to clean air and such, but if i wanna smoke at home i should and i do

or you can make some sort of reasonable compromise, smokers sections away from main buildings etc

 

And what would you say if Obama pulled the troops out of Iraq??... Not bashing you or anything, I'm just curious as to what your feelings would be about that..

 

well the point is, his statement that he will isnt even believeable, no specifics, no nothing

outside of that its a "what if" thing

what if grandma had balls?? shed be grandpa

 

I'm just speaking hypothetically... I'd just like to get the general feeling of how you guys would feel about a troop withdrawal from Iraq.

 

well that depends on how its done

so if you add more specifics about this hypothetical i can answer better

 

To put it flat out, if he basically ordered an end to direct US involment in the Iraq conflict, bringing the US troops home and basically helping the Iraqi troops by funding them and helping in other ways.

Something along those lines. Just a thought. What would you consider a good reason to withdraw out of Iraq?

 

well he has already stated that hed have based in the area so i dont see the point

would he listen to the military commanders on the exact details of withdrawl or just have a race to get out

 

That I cannot answer for sure. But if he just "raced to get out" like you said, do you think that would be a proper way of getting out??

 

fuck no

jesus thatd be totally irresponsible

 

The only way it could end honorably is when Iraq gets some stability in their government. Looking at the situation the way it is, it looks difficult to just have a sudden withdrawal. The Iraqi government has to basically tell us that they're good to go on their own. Question is when will that happen.

 

well gotta make it safe 1st, that way people can go out without fear of getting blown up

you also gotta realize, look how long it takes for us to get anything done, and we've been doing this for almost 300 years, they're just learning

 

Looks like his bill passed....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080213/pl_usnw/aim_says_media_cover_up_obama___s_socialist_oriented_global_tax_bill

TFK

 

if Obama becomes president....6months-1year in 50% of the population would want his head made into a canoe..


Ortho Crusader might be right...on whatever he say about osama./.

 

Osama Barrack thinks he is the next Bobby Kennedy. If he was, he would already be dead.

 

It was even more "totally irresponsible" to invade.

We should turn back the country to it's rightful owners and get the fuck out as soon as possible. PERIOD!

 

The whole political ring is an absolute joke.

Dems and Reps both suck, and are both stupid but still smarter than the bulk of the American public .....who lap up whatever those morons feed them.

Fucking pathetic.

 

Sad but true. Its up to the people to take care of themselves.

Minutemen, local charities, soup kitchens, public education...this is the only way.

 

Racist!

:nono:

 

I live a pretty modest lifestyle by choice, so I'm not ready to take responsibility for anyone's oppression. Just as I don't care about the poor of the world, I really wouldn't care if the people running our nations and economies were butchered. I understand that I'm caught in the middle.

As bad as slavery and colonialism were, they really are nothing new to the world. Slavery was horribly innefficient, and it is easy to argue that not much in the way of innovation came from slavery- at least nothing that would build an advanced civilization. Slavery in the U.S. would have died without the invention of the cotton gin. Unfortunately, slaves were a valuable commodity like tulips once were, so the trade continued. I think you could make a good argument that the U.S. Civil War would have happened much sooner had slavery been an efficient economic system.

Keeping colonies and fighting wars of conquest isn't exactly cheap or always productive, either, and there has to be a superior system in place to do those things. I think that the effects of slavery and colonialism tend to be exaggerated.

I don't think that you can exaggerate the importance that the control of petrolium and minerals have on modern economies. I'm still don't believe that I reap much of the benefit, or that the poor of the world would be much poorer, or tranquil, without the exploitation.

 

Maybe you are right that aid does help the poor of the world, but I've often heard differently. I'm not sure how you define inadequate and adequate wellbeing, but I really wish that the poor of the world could manage on their own.

My point is that the tons of money spent on the vaccinations, food aid, etc. over the years seems to just keep people alive to live adequately (at the very best) at our expense. It just doesn't move me.

 

Dude!

You're splitting hairs (and I don't know why Puerto Rock is allowing you to do it).

THE BOTTOMLINE IS:

Do you think the war in Iraq should continue indefinitely or should the US start a plan to pull them out ASAP?

Obviously Barack or anyone else in power who wants to end the war wouldn't just drag them out of there without proper planning or consultation and understanding all the risks and implications.

So stop with this "running them out would be irresponsible" shit, as no elected president would make a rushed ill prepared move like that and just state your opinion on whether or not you think the war should end!

 

My point is that it is senseless to keep people in poverty. However, it is not the responsibilty of my government to educate, house, provide medical care to, or an infrastructure for the poor of the world. I put myself through school, and paid for my own medical care, housing, transport, clothing, food, etc. in the process, so I do have a problem with my government taking the money that I could have used to provide for myself, and providing for others.

Also, education can only do so much for a person, and not all people want to be educated. And that isn't even counting the fact that some people are too damn dumb to learn. Not even all education is good!

It isn't a lack of education that has Pakis pissed off, since many of the parki radicals are well-educated. Al-Queda wasn't formed by the poor or illiterate. As far as Palestine goes, they have schools, but the Israelis often shut them down in order to drive the young from the country. Again, the reason for the despair and rage has little to do with education, or a lack of education.

 

dsimon writes:

It becomes our problem thats my point. All those uneducated people that breed and become desperate and manipulated by those with an agenda. The best way to combat this is through education. If you think stupidity in the world does not affect you materially and otherwise... we can agree to disagree but suffice to say my motives are not wholly altruistic. Ignorance, having too many children and being the means to an end to those with ambition are properties of people that can be rectified with education and can effect the world. It is a good investment to help people in their environments to prevent people from coming over here who contribute nothing. I would gladly send gobs of money to Mexico and China to prevent people coming over here. The countries where people are well educated and have social systems that take care of them are not the people who I see with 5 kids who will become a tax liability for my kids when they grow up.

 

you can look at how their money is used. i'm not sure what the major charities in the US are, so i can't provide links. i can do it for the big charities here.

the major charities aim at sustainable improvements - teach him to fish rather than give him a fish, etc.. they fund the training of local aid workers, who can spread skills locally. there are real, lasting, solid differences that our aid has made. the reason they keep focusing on the problems is because they don't want us to stop giving.

 

ha ha, mate, i guess you don't realise, but 'parki' is a pejorative, racist term, like 'spinc' or 'kike' or 'n*****'. better to use 'pakistani'

Pak·i
Chiefly British Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a person from Pakistan or neighboring countries or for the descendant of such a person.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parki

 

True .. :bears:

I thought people were ready for a guy like Paul ... and if this place is any indication , they ARE . Which is why they worked so hard to marginalize him on the MainStream.

Honestly ... I think it's too late to ever get someone like Paul again. The Corporate Aristocracy in this country is too powerful.