Tszyu vs Fundora WBC/WBO 154lb

To be fair, prime Tua had much better head movement than Tszyu.

I dont Tua's head movement was the problem. He was actually decent at slipping and rolling punches. With Tua, his problem was that he had ponderous feet.

Tim has both ponderous feet AND no head movement.

 

I dont fault ESJ for avoiding the rematch like the plague. There are no adjustments he could make that would give different results. Just like Canelo fighting Bivol. No point.

 

If spence trains diligently he has the ideal style to break down fundora

 

I would agree. On paper, EJ should still be too much for Fundora. Fundora is a really nice kid, but he's not very good.

That's on paper though. In actuality, we have no idea how much the Crawford beating took out of Spence until he gets in there...

I'd still make Spence the favorite though.

 

Just like Canelo fighting numerous guys who beat his fucking azzzzz

 

Fundora has always been easy to hit. Lubin lit him up early on too. But whether it was a strategic decision or not, I think Tszyu was wise not to get inside. Fundora can grind it out inside and with the exception of the Mendoza fight, has shown amazing durability. I think the cut was the biggest factor in Tszyu's loss....he couldn't see the shots coming....of course he is going to get hit. Tszyu did some nice bodywork but I think he needed more of it.

 

There's a rematch clause and Tim will activate it, so probably not Fundora-Spence next. Unless, PBC pays Tim enough stepaside money to not activate the clause.

 

What are people's thoughts on Tszyu's cutman? That cut was bleeding before he even got up from his stool. And although the cut was bad, I would've expected the bleeding could've been better contained than it was.

 

His cutman was shit and Joe Goosen knew that his cutman was shit. Goosen was trying to tell the audience in the most politically correct way possible that the guy was fucking clueless on stopping a cut.

The PBC crew is soft in terms of holding people accountable. They're a very flowery crew led by that that buffoon Renallo. If Tszyu-Fundora was on HBO 20 years ago, you would have had Harold Lederman and Manny Steward ripping the cutman. Lederman especially would have dragged him through the mud.

 

Harold Lederman banging on about Avitene in the middle of fights.....those were the days.

 

Stitch Duran probably asking too much to work corners these days. Probably retired by now anyway

 

Tszyu needs to hire a better cut man if he’s gonna take the rematch.

 

There is no rematch clause

 

I saw reports that there was a clause. But not from any reputable sources, so there probably isn't one.

 

I think Tszyu might be one of those guys whose stock rose in defeat. We weren't really sure of his quality but it has to be said now that he belongs at World level.

He does have to secure and win a rematch.

 

I think its safe to say that this was no big upset. After all it was Tim not Kostya Zoo. We expected more out of this kid because of his father but Fundura beating him just confirms he was never an elite level fighter. Hes a JCC Jr. Level fighter or Eubank Jr level fighter that was able to get this far due to how shitty the 154 division is right now and his last name.

 

Yep, and no shame in that. JCC and Eubank jr were/ are very good fighters

 

I don't think Tim is anything special, but I think the cut decided the fight. The trajectory of the fight appeared to be headed toward Tszyu breaking Fundora down until the cut occurred.

I'd favor Tszyu in a rematch, but if Neil is correct that there's no clause, it might be a rematch we never see.

I do actually agree with BF that Tim is the product of a weak 154. He'd be a fringe level guy back when 154 was deep with talent.

 

If Joe Goosen was right and they didn't have the proper ointment to stop the bleeding, then yes, it's a shocking lack of professionalism. However, I'm not 100% sure that it was indeed the case as Tim is a huge money maker and the son of a (lower) ATG to booth, an oversight this obvious, by both his team and his father, would be simply unbelievable.

 

Disagree. That cut was debilitating. As far as I'm concerned, his worth as a fighter remains to be seen. And to me, the evidence points to one much better than a JCC Jr. or a Eubank Jr., both of whom don't seem to really know how to fight.

 

I hope the rematch happens.

Fuck Spence. He deserves nothing.

 

In all honesty, considering it was accidental and the cut had the potential to seriously alter the fight outcome, it definitely should have been stopped and called a NC. Yes it would have been highly disappointing but it would have been the fairest result. Thankfully, Tim was the attraction and losing like this won't hurt his star potential one iota.

 

I was shocked they didn't stop it. They stop fights on cuts that bad 99% of the time. This fight fell into the exceptionally rare 1%.

 

Verbal rematch clause

Good luck enforcing that when they pressure fundora into the spence fight

 

Yeah hand shakes mean nothing when money is at stake. If there's no formal rematch clause this will come down to who can offer Fundora's promoter the most $$$. Tim is a house hold name in OZ but Spence despite his loss is still a bigger draw in the States. Its a win win. Either Fundora stops a damaged goods ESJ in an exciting bloody fan friendly fight or Spence has an incredible comeback fight performance and picks up another strap along the way.