Tyson Fury vs Fence

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  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    Hey guys, Gabe Rasado would have beaten the fuck outta Wilfredo Gomez.

    All hail King Gabriel!
     
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  2. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    This. SOme boxing fans don't seems to realise how hard it is to deal with a big strong guy. Hell, a guy like Haye, who was an excellent CW, should have lost to Valuev, because he couldn't deal with his strength and size. And Fury is a much more skilled and talented fighter than Valuev.
     
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    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    P4P matchups aren't silly.

    Without putting into proper context, one could say that because John Ruiz would clobber Aaron Pryor in a real fight, that Ruiz is a better fighter than Pryor.
     
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  4. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Stop being silly. you sounds like Cdogg
     
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  5. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    when it comes to HW, p4p matchp are silly
     
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    Punk "Twinkle Toes" McJack Staff Member

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    The reach difference between Marciano and Fury is 40 cm, the weight difference is around 30kg, the height difference is almost 30 cm.

    They are only comparable in a P4P sense.
     
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    Punk "Twinkle Toes" McJack Staff Member

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    Marciano is a cruiserweight.
     
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    Punk "Twinkle Toes" McJack Staff Member

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    More importantly, Fury has changed his name to Gorga Tys and is no longer a gypsy.
     
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  9. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Nah. Marciano was the hw champ of his era, aka the baddest man in boxing. If you want to compare era, you have to compare him to Fury. In a fight between them, we all know what would happen.
     
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    Yeah and there was no cruiserweight division back then. There is now. That's where Marciano would be fighting today.
     
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    Poor guy. Hes clearly mentally disturbed
     
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    Think about it this way: Ricky Hatton was much faster, he had more variation and better upper body movement compared to George Foreman. Thus, Foreman would have been trashed, if they were same size, right?

    No, of course Foreman was better of the two. The thing is, you can't compare two fighters by ignoring their size and strength difference but keeping everything else. Size affects everything else too
     
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    I don't view P4P that way, size remains part of it.

    For a P4P comparison, you have to benchmark the fighters in their respective divisions. So how fast was Hatton vs the competitive set at super lightweight? How much variation, how much upper body movement? How big was he vs the average? Then you score it on the same criteria for Foreman in his division, along with everything else. Then you match them up. It's almost an algorithm really.

    If you're ever doing P4P using heavyweights, you have to move the smaller fighter UP, not the bigger fighter down. There's too much size variation at heavyweight to suddenly eliminate it by moving someone down - but you can roughly judge the size of heavyweight a smaller guy would be based on how they physically look vs their competitive set in their respective divisions, ability to move up etc.
     
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    This is how it should be done



    However, quickness or coordination is never reduced as much as power and strength in these speculations. Marciano was slow even for his own size, so making him 50 lbs heavier makes him slower than Butterbean, he won't be able to keep up such pace and he will be very much easier to hit than he actually was. Size affects all this
     
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    That's fair, the speed bit - but by the same token his power and chin will be even stronger as a true heavy, which will balance out his descent further into MolassesVille from a speed perspective. Part of his arsenal was being able to walk through fire and knock fast guys out, something which will be enhanced at a more typical heavyweight size.
     
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  16. Hut*Hut

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    P4p conparisons of accomplishments have some merit but p4p match ups definitely are silly, imo
     
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