What is it with Pavlik and whites/blacks?

I was calling for a stoppage in the second round, but the fact is, Pavlik wasn't down for the 10-count, and he wasn't stopped on a TKO. It was a controversial decision on Smoger's part, but it isn't Smoger's fault that Taylor busted his nut.

 

:bears: Looks like I am not the only one who watched the second round.

 

Speaking as an exposed and apprehended white racist and Fraud hater, I don't really hate Pavlik per se, but do find him to be overrated through a purely sensationalist acumen that one Miguel Cotto also shares. Conceedingly, both fighters are pleasing to the eye, but could be crushed by any garden variety scrub on any given day, and when that day comes, they'll be cracked, and despite thier best efforts, neither will be getting back up again.

I do wish the media would stop acting like Pavlik's the only white fighter in the entire sport though, use "white American" if your going to blow it up and smere it all over the internet...to call him this "lone white boxing prodigy" is fucking ignorant.

 

But is Pavlik good enough to smash one of your favorite fighters, leaving his slumped body twitching on the canvas?

 

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Pavlik's entrance put a bad taste in my mouth, I wont lie.

The Rock music, the entourage waving WHITE cloths (what was THAT all about?!! ), his fans and family looking not unlike a southern lynch mob. ::


That's why I joked about the KKK having control of the Middleweight championship...

 

Is "Rock" music racist? ::

Incidentally, the white cloths, I found a little strange too. I am pretty sure Pavlik is not remotely racist, he seems like a cool guy, but what were those white cloths about?

 

At what point would you have stopped him? I watched it over and over and Pavlik wasn't unresponsive at all. He was hurt but he was protecting himself while buying time. I think it would have been a quick stoppage and the fight ending is a pretty good proof, Pavlik's health wasn't at stake here, I think that's the only reason why you can stop a fight without a 10 count.

 

Karl - no insults. Knock it off.

 

Exactly. But you must not have watched the 2nd round. ::

Incidentally, every time fighters get hit with combos (where btw, all "20 punches thrown" don't land or land clean) and goes down and gets up at two - and then continues to try to protect himself and buy time....

Every fight like that needs to be stopped.

 

The thing here that confuses some people IMO is that Taylor had Pavlik pretty much done there but became overexcited by the smell of blood and wasted his energy throwing inneffective looping punches. A patient finisher would have cut the ring, got Pavlik on the ropes and wait for opportunities to land big calculated punches. There was plenty of time but it isn't Taylor game and never was. What Taylor did usually worked with his usual smaller foes but against a big strong guy like Pavlik, you got to act more intelligently IMO.

 

cut it out sly, you're goin to make donnybrooKKK mad at you again...::

on a serious note...these racial discussions are tiresome...*sigh* :doh:

 

glad you said it.

Sly, your ridiculous post gives the Larry Merchants of the world every reason in the world to justify their disdain for hip-hop-influenced ring entrances and associating it to a certain lifestyle and/or stereotype.

The "white cloths" were towels - his boys were waving them to get the crowd charged up, not as a signal for a Klan rally.

I mean, if you're gonna get that petty, then let's ask why Jermain Taylor's corner features fewer and fewer white guys with each passing fight. Or why a country-music loving cat like Jermain is coming into the ring to hip hop.

 

Sure, won't argue that. And I think you're right.

Fact is, though (and I know you agree) - Pavlik was not hit with "20 punches" before going down....and he got up at 2 and after that was in command of his faculties and trying to survive and clinch. :dunno:

I fail to see the point others are making about how this is so different from the thousands of other fights where a fighter loses a round via KD and getting hit often and has to survive.

Peace.

 

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Nothing to the white "cloths."

And folks don't like it when posters complain about entrances to "rap music" and "thugs" (which I wholeheartedly agree should not be an area of criticism)...

But then they criticize rock music as distasteful or racially charged.

Really, the whole thing needs to stop.

Peace.

 

Sly is from England and was subjected to vicious racism that's left him scarred. So he's a little wound up even now.

 

everyone knows this, "however" sly has been bugging out lately. maybe slystaff's animosity and/or personal jihad towards white fighters is coming from elsewhere...maybe the people on this forum (and the attacks) are impacting his better judgement. only sly knows for sure...

 

Agree with the rest but not the bits I have quoted. Maybe I'm taking it wrong or splitting hairs but.....

White Champions are now a very select elite. A minority in terms of the overall population of boxing? Perhaps. A minority in terms of head of population of any given gym or stable? Perhaps. But as champions, and champions of distinct note, they have always constituted a large percentage, save for the 1980's and most of 1990's. Its impossible to pick up books which chronicle the history of the sport without coming across grainy photo after photo of one white champion after another. Hell, the best HW NOT to win the HW C'Ship was a white man, Quarry. Today the pick of the bunch in a lot of divisions are white, with whites having a strong argument in a lot of other divisions too.

Heavyweight, Light-Heavyweight, Super Middlweight, Middlweight, Light Middle, Welter, Light Welter- all have "white" notables.

 

quit making excuses for him, phoNAACPtap

 

right - but not all white fighters (hell, any fighters) start out as world champions. coming up through the ranks, Pavlik's just another white boy, one from the Midwest at that, a status normally found on the receiving end of Teddy Atlas' padded records/soft commission rants.

 

Like I said, I wasn't in particularly strong disagreement with Reed......in the microcosm that is a 20 year span {the 80's, 90's- and 20 years in the history of licensed puglism is, what, one sixth of its history??} Reeds argument might have been particularly strong, but even at that there were White Champions, Coetzee, Minter, McGuigan to name a few. Unfortunately, particularly in America, 20 years is regarded as forever and thus the MTV generation can be said to possess the sentiments which Reed alludes to, namely the mindsets regarding hopeless white fighters. But any student of the game should not, realistically speaking, be surprised by the current spate of "white" champions:- Ray Robinson, perhaps the high water mark in terms of fistic perfection, lost his unbeaten record to a white fighter, and lost title fights to Basilio, Fullmer and Maxim: all white.

That said, yes, Pavlik, in the manner and style in which he took his title, and his origins, is a total bolt from the blue, and yes, as alluded to by yourself, he is not a "made champ" in the sense that perhaps Calzaghe and Ottke might be/have been.

Pavlik is unique in that he arrived from relative obscurity with a frightful wallop smack dab into the bigtime, and couldn not therefore be further removed from the MidWest sterotype that you refer to.:clap:

 

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agREED with Jake & Donny. Sly needs to get a grip.

And his attempts to tie Pavlik to the KKK were inappropriate and distasteful.

 

Good post.:clap:

 

I agree with where you're going. It is true that now, white world champions is no longer the anomally it was even less than a decade ago. So down the road, perhaps the perception (white fighters being the minority) will no longer ring true.

 

I mean, American put a man on the Moon in '69.

They haven't done that for years.

I guess that means they couldn't do it tommorow.:doh: :doh:

 

Perfectly reasonable entrance.


10000x better than the usual black-ghetto-gangsta-trash entrance that we see time and time again.

 

WAR MUSTARD!!!!!


"yo-diggity-yo-y'allknowamsayin"??

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