When is GGG gonna fight someone decent??

Gomez would have beaten the fuck outta Donaire.

 

He legit didn't beat the count.

 

Come on man I never said he wasn't better than Lemieux. All I said was I liked him and that's not even true, it was an ironic joke

 

He didn't try too hard. he gave as much of an effort as Buster Douglas did against Holyfield.

 

Based on this fight, probably so. However, considering Donaire had never been downed, has legit KO power and is at his best against an attacking fighter it wouldn't have been a shocker, whereas it was much more obvious that Sanchez would have outboxed him

 

Didnt he? i guess i better watch it again

 

It was a Ko. Rubio didn't beat the count.

 

Gomez wasn't iron chinned, but he didn't have a weak chin either. I could see Donaire hurting him, but not taking him out. Donaire isn't in the same universe as Sanchez, and Nelson.

Gomez was just a FAR more gifted, and skilled technician than Donaire, and he had great power. He would have stopped Donaire.

 

Lol at premature stoppage. Yall act like Rubio had a chance even if he HAD beat the count (which he didnt). It was all academic.

 

It wasn't exactly Dempsey vs Tunney II, I will grant you ::

 

Prime pre-vitiligo Rubio would have given GGG a hellacious fight

 

Yes. He would have fought out of his skin. Now he just don't have any skin to fight out of.

 

the fact the a fighter has a chance or not of winning has nothing to do with a stoppage being premature or not.

For the record, I don't think this stoppage was premature, as Rubio didn't really beat the count. Liked how Golovkin changed the angle on his left hook when he saw that Rubio was doing the clamshell defense. i dont recall seeing a KO or a KD from a shot like this before

 

The idea that premature stoppages are okay because the guy "didn't have a chance anyway" is stupid. It's the equivalent of concluding there's no need for a fair trial in court because "the guy is obviously guilty."

 

Or the old 'who cares that Floyd ducked those guys - he would have beat them anyway!'

 

Ah, yeah, that makes sense. The youtube vid i watched was horrible quality but i definitely came away with the feeling the wave off was rushed.

 

That isn't accurate.

It was a full second, you are either underestimating how short a second really is or you are thinking of a Rocky movie style count.

[video=youtube;zyD7O-h7RwA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyD7O-h7RwA[/video]

You can count the seconds using YT's timer. Count had zero error.

 

If anything, because of the elongation of some of the numbers, the count isnt super perfect...for example...7 is finished more or less at 7 and a half a second...but the count was indeed 10 seconds exactly.

He waved his arm at 9:11...it finished at 9:21. This is technically 11 seconds if you count the exact moment he rules knockdown as the first second.

Human error makes an exact 100 percent perfect count impossible, but I don't see how you can really act like this referee erred. Rubio had 10 seconds like everyone in history to beat the count and at 9:21 his knee is still on the mat.

 

rewatching it, it was a bit of a premature stoppage. Rubio was mostly up before he reached 10. It's a judgment call on the part of the ref, since it's a bit of a grey zone (a bit like the Tyson-Douglas controversy) but I think he should have let it go, if only to let the fans have a better show.

 

agreed, from the low quality stream I had, the ref fucked up and counted from 8 to10 way too fast.

 

The stoppage is academic, it could be seen as half a second short but it wouldn't have made a difference anyway. Spared Rubio from taking another 15 seconds of unnecessary punches before getting dropped cold.

 

I don't agree with this logic, you just never know in boxing. Amazing comebacks have been made, and afterall it was just one knockdown. It is a bit like Hut's assertion.

However, this argument is academic anyway, because he didn't beat the count ::

Truth be told, he was already getting up at 10 so some refs would have let him continue. I reckon more would have stopped it though, as you're supposed to be up and ready to fight.

 

He was grounded.

How can you watch boxing for 20+ years and not know the rules?

Jesus Christ.

 

You are not beating the count until you are no longer grounded. At 10 he still at minimum at one knee on the mat, there is no way any trained, legitimate referee doesn't rule that a knockout.

 

Where did I say he wasn't. I said it was a grey zone. If he decided, he could have said the 10 a bit slower, and Rubio would have been up. Don't act like their is no arbitrary judgement on the part of the ref when he's giving a count, it only make you look foolish

 

BTW, iirc, The Ring magazine made a little study on the length of the count, a couple of years ago, and the average was 13. So an eleven seconds count would be, statistically speaking, a short count.

 

Sometimes I think refs are trained to conduct short counts to avoid drawn out mismatches....better to end them quickly with minimal exposure of just how shot and over - matched an opponent may be...but that's just a theory.

 

My perception was that he possibly had both knees off the canvas when the ref said 10, but that he wasn't properly up.

 

Uhh, let's call them quick counts and not short counts. A short count would be counting to less than 10.

The ref called a quick diez, but Rubio's knee was clearly down when he started and finished the word.