Which was the best heavyweight fight of the 70s?

Is Terp Asian by chance?

 

According to numerous Fightbeat posters, Terp is our resident black midget

 

And the sort of dislikeable cunt you'd just gleefully stomp fuck out of after smashing his face in with a claw-hammer....

 

If the fight happened before I was born then I'm in a better position to judge the fight on its merit than if I watched it live. If "you had to be there" then it's not as good as a fight where you didn't have to be there. You "had to be there" for most of Ali's "great" fights.

 

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Its a wonder I've lived so long, completely unharmed.

 

You Sound Like a 15 Year Old Girl, Claiming "the Beatles SUCKED" or "Michael Jordan was OVERRATED", Because Their Careers Preexisted You...

Disregarding the PERSPECTIVE of Louis-Schmeling II, for Instance, is Losing Sight of the Sheer IMPORTANCE of that Fight, in American Sports History...An American Beating a German???...A Black Man Becoming a Beloved, National Hero???...

Ignoring CONTEXT Takes Away the Fact Schmeling KO'ed Louis in their First Bout, Which HEIGHTENED the Drama for the RE...

But by YOUR Rationale, Who Gives a Fuck about Louis-Schmeling II, as it was just Some 1st Round KO, Right???....

Particularly in the Sport of Boxing, PERSPECTIVE and CONTEXT Absolutely Have to Be Factored In...Always...

And Again, if a Weight Class/Fighter You're BIASED For is Being Discussed, You'd ABSOfuckingLUTELY Use Perspective and Context as Part of your Argument...







REED

 

I don't give a fuck about Louis-Schmeling. It's a factoid in a documentary.

And my general point about "diaperweights" has always been that they're under rated because they don't have any special "context" for people to over rate them. P4p Ricardo Lopez dribbles Joe Louis all over the ring and its plain to see if you look. And I like Joe Louis.

 

No, it's 1 of THE More Important Events in American Sports History, but that's Completely LOST on an Adolescent Minded Poster Such as Yourself...

Soooooo You "Don't Give a Fuck about Louis-Schmeling", Louis' Most IMPORTANT Fight, Yet You "Like Joe Louis"???...You're Either LYING or Woefully CONFUSED...

Stop Sniffing Glue, Middle Schooler...








REED

 

This is something you have failed to understand. You can't compare the technical abilities and body coordination of different-sized fighters directly anymore than you can compare their punching power directly

 

Punching power isn't some magical shit you're born with like the old negro janitor told you. It's the result of mechanics, mass and velocity. If any fighter of any size punched like Finito or Tito they would be big punchers for their weight class, even if that weight class is HW. It's not "a different game". That's just what you tell yourself because you HW boxing and even you can see they're generally inferior. That's not because God cursed big men, it's just one out of many weight classes and it's at an extreme end of the weight spectrum with less of a talent pool and more comp from other sports.

 

Scmelling was a journeyman who upset a raw prospect and then got fucked up when he was shot and the prospect was more developed. And that's it. I don't give a fuck how it was perceived by casual fans and politicians 60 years ago. Fuck Gone With The Wind as well.

 

You know Max was a former heavyweight champion right ?

 

So?

 

It was a toss-up between Thrilla in Manila and Holmes-Norton, but then I remembered Norton's son sucks at coaching so I gave it to Thrilla in Manila by default

 

Well, you referred to him as a journeyman. Usual descriptive for a former champion.

 

To ne honest, the way he won the championship wasnt exactly thrilling

 

Does That Make him a "Journeyman" Though???...





REED

 

No, his career does. He was a "spoiler". Nothing wrong with that.

 

Since You ADMITTEDLY Can't Be Bothered Affording Enough Time and Effort to Fully APPRECIATING "Perspective and Context", as it Pertains to Fighter's of Ali and Foreman's Era, it's NOT Surprising You Think Soooo LITTLE of Schmeling and his Role in Joe Louis' Career...

CAN'T Convert the Ignorant...







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He was what he was.

 

Exactly, guy like him try to sugar coat the shityness of the HW divisions to push some big oafs they like (mainly Klitshko in his case). Thing is, it's obvious that the talent pool is really shallow, with a big % constitute of failed athletes from other sports, and that the reason they fight the way they do is not because it's more effective than traditionnal boxing skills or that the game evolved, but simply because they lack these aforementionned skills (and the athletic talent needed) so that they have to rely on size, power and hugging to get by.

 

Homes/Norton was brilliant as was the first Frazier/Ali but I still have to say the Thrilla simply for the drama of it, the unflinching hatred and the outrageous courage of both men... You could argue that Holmes/Norton was a more technically pleasing fight but there is something so deeply human about Manila

 

Ali/Foreman was momentous and obviously a huge accomplishment for Ali but I don't think of it as a "great" fight, myself... More of a great "event"

 

It's such a weird fight... Lyle was usually a much more careful fighter and while we sometimes think of the young Foreman as more crude than the old, fat version even he was never THAT wild right from the start... It's definitely exciting from just the ridiculous brutality of it but I agree, it doesn't have the greatest replay value because both guys completely abandon their technique

 

Not a particularly exciting fight... Foreman at one point had Young absolutely dead to rights but he inexplicably let up... I don't think there's any question that Zaire did a real number on his psyche

 

Was it DRAMATIC???...





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Certainly... Can you imagine watching that live?

Foreman had taken less than 4 completed rounds to utterly annihilate the only two men to have defeated Ali ... Every round Ali was still standing probably seemed remarkable, never mind how he gradually took over the fight and then knocked the guy out no less

Saying it isn't dramatic is like saying Chavez/Taylor or Bobby Thomson's home run aren't dramatic...

 

To REED, The Fact Both Fighters WEREN'T Typically as Reckless, Yet Felt They HAD To Be On That Particular Night, is What Enhances Foreman-Lyle...

Wasn't Much Skill and/or Technique in Round 1 of Hagler-Hearns Either, and it was RARE for Them to Plant Feet and TRADE Shots as they Did, Also...

IJS...




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And yet Ugo has it in his shortlist as one of the best of the 70s...

Anyway, this is my favorite cos its so funny (inexplicably, both of these white cocksuckers got a shot at Muhammad Ali)

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Ahhhhh...the heady days of Autumn 1976....

 

To be fair, Bugner was a decent enough boxer, not a bad fighter at all ... Dunn, not so much