Why Doesn't Paul Williams Fight Daniel Santos?

I posted this elsewhere as I've been thinking of this match-up for some time. Obviously, Williams' team would probably not be interested, not now anyway. Looks to me like they're biding their time until a big fight comes along. Unless "The Punisher" becomes an overnight superstar, I'm not sure how that's gonna happen.

But Santos should and probably would be willing to take it. And I think I may even give him a slight edge on this one, although Williams at 154 could be even better--his ceiling seems so high.

Anyway, something like this would be an excellent Showtime headliner and one that could really cement the winner as the man at 154. Williams won't be fighting Berto anytime soon and, at some point, the rest of these welters are gonna have to move up. Some have already tested the waters. I'm hoping they have no choice but to turn to each other, especially if they're gonna keep fighting mandatories. And if they do, we're the winners. Thoughts?

 

If you would give Santos a slight edge, then that's exactly why tall Paul probably isn't inclined to pursue a fight with Santos ;)

It's probably a pick em fight, and high risk, low reward.

It's an interesting fight, but one that I can see why Tall Paul wouldn't be particularly keen to take.

 

The thing is, then who does Paul Williams fight?

Berto? Nope.

Margarito/Clottey winner? Those two are still looking for a big payday - PW ain't it.

Cotto? In "The Punisher's" dreams.

Who else is there? And Santos isn't gonna get many more looks either. I wonder if necessity makes it happen but, who knows? Maybe something drastic happens before the year's out.

 

Why not Berto?

If Berto and his handlers are confident, it would be a good chance for him.

Paul would be the favourite, but the first Quintana fight should bgive Berto confidence. Paul obviously CAN be outslicked and outboxed.

Really Marge is who he should be gunning for.

And I could ask the same about Marge, who can he fight that would be a bigger fight than Williams? Floyd? Retired or whatever. Oscar? Not a chance, Marge is 50 pounds too heavy.

I thought Marge was actually game for a rematch, but it was Paul's manager that stood in the way.

I think for both their sakes, they should make the fight happen.

Who would you pick in the rematch?

 

How is a southpaw outslicking and outboxing Williams going to give Berto confidence?

Berto is obviously going the slow road, I don't see his group suddenly taking on Williams. It's not like he's bringing that high of a price tag for his fights.

A fight with Cintron would be more likely.

As for Margarito, I'm sure Arum would prefer Mosley to Williams or a Cotto rematch next summer.

Anyways, Williams is supposedly fighting at middleweight in September, prior to the November HBO date.

 

So the Pavlik fight wasn't just a tempting offer? Paul really does want to jump up to middleweight?

Mitchell - it could give him confidence because Berto is quick and can box a bit, no? :dunno:

I forgot about Cintron, but I don't think anyone is really going to get excited about Cintron Vs anyone.

I think at this stage, most fans would prefer to see Marge rematch Williams than fight Mosley.

 

According to Dan Rafael, it's a TBA against a middleweight...and then he'll drop back down to 147 for November. It may just be a test drive at 160. Not sure yo-yoing up and down the scale is a great thing for Williams in that quick of a span, but he's fought well above welterweight before.

I don't think Berto can really replicate Quintana's feat, given how different their body types and styles are.

Cintron just signed with Dibella, so I could see him being an opponent for Berto. Compared to Rodriguez and Forbes, Cintron looks good.

 

Well me neither, I would pick Tall Paul for sure, but that fight at least shows how Paul can be beaten.

It's pretty stupid for Paul to go to 160 with the plan of coming back down, history shows it's never a very good idea to do that.

 

Berto and Williams share the same management. At this point I think it makes little sense to knock off one your champs in a fight that won't make much.

I think Margarito-Santos/Williams is a toss-up. I'd pick Margarito over Santos though in something that'll look like a repeat of the rematch. Williams...I'm not sure if he's peaked. And I still have some questions re: his chin but he has the temperament of a fighter who will fight fire with fire when hurt. If he can continue to progress, he's gonna be very, very hard to beat.

 

sAntos is a shit fighter. If Williams didn't risk moving up for Pavlik for a bigger purse he won't do it for Santos - a fight that means less.

 

If Williams ever fights Ciintron I would actually give Kermit a good chance. Paul is there to be hit and Cintron does have good power. I would love to see it.

 

is this a trick question? why would paul williams want to get KO'd for a small purse?

 

I used to sleep on Santos but he's NOT a shit fighter by any means. I think the chances of him beating Williams would be high.

 

Agreed! Santo's is a good southpawl with power. His style would give allot of fighters problems.

 

williams doesnt have the power to turn santos to fight in his boring retreat mode. santos knocks him out imo.

 

Nobody in the WW division beats Williams except for Cotto and Margarito.

Since Paul already took Antonio's belt, I would think that the rematch is the obvious choice for both guys' next fight.

 

Santos isnt a WW.

 

No shit.

 

So... this thread is about Williams-Santos, not Paul at 147.

I like Paul, but Santos would actually be a bad matchup for him. All the left hands Paul ate flush from Quintana. If that was Santos landing those lefts on him, Paul would be flat on his back.

A dream fight I REALLY hope to see one day is Williams vs Kirkland.

 

I understand that.

However, what I'm saying is why should Paul Williams, a guy who took the belt away from a fighter that NOW is regarded as the boxer to beat in the division, face a guy outside the division that isn't that highly regarded?

To me, Paul Williams is the guy to beat at 147.

 

he's the guy to beat at 147 until he loses again to some guy who's barely in the top 10. i guess he could reclaim that 'guy to beat at so and so weight class' once he avenges another loss?

 

Santos isn' THAT much of a puncher. Alcine was a fucking can.

 

Not that it's relevant but, I'm sorry, I think PW knocks Miguel Cotto into next week. Always have, always will. That's such a bad match-up for Cotto I doubt they'll EVER mention Williams as an opponent.

 

I think Tall Paul would probably beat Cotto too. Too big, too busy, and I think he has a decent chin too.

 

Cotto needs to navigate his career very carefully if he's going to continue to be perceived as an elite fighter. I always figured he'd be one of those guys who was too big for 140, but who doesn't have quite the size for 147. Not saying it was strictly due to his size that he lost to Margarito, but he will be at a significant height disadvantage against most of the division's elite.

 

i think he is the only guy i have seen rock margarito...

 

Santos hits plenty hard. He just doesn't throw hard a lot...

 

he hits hard when he throws straight punches. He usually loops his punches. and sometimes slaps like calzaghe.

 

I was about to mention that. Santo's has been the only fighter in recent times that has been able to rock Margarito.

 

Funnily enough, he's also the only fighter Margarito has fought outside of welter in a long time.