What the fuck? Boxing is on tonight

Except you are lying and you know it. I didn't pick Narvaez to win.
Narvaez did win rounds against Donaire although he may not have been awarded any by the judges. Nishioka didn't come close to winning a round, nor did he land anywhere near the quality of punches that Narvaez did except for a couple of nice shots after he got knocked down.

 

Narvaez lost 12-0... He was scared to fucking death and came to survive. It is disingenuous to claim he had success against Donaire.

Losing every round is not success.

What rounds did you have Narvaez winning?

 

Navarez came to survive and didn't win a single round.

 

.

 

Talk about trying to save face.

:: at the idea of Narvaez winning half a round, let alone "rounds".

 

so donaire is going to fight arce next. what a complete mismatch. shitty fight, arce wont "come to fight" either and it will be a dull, predictable beatdown. who really gives a shit about this match?

 

I certainly don't.

 

The numbers speak for themselves and they are not shutout numbers, nor should the fight have been scored a shutout if you score a fight by what I consider to be the proper metric--who would you rather have been in the round? [edit: I can't shift the % numbers over so if someone else can post these better, I'll remove this table]

Total Punches Landed / Thrown</SPAN>
[TABLE="width: 91%"]
<TBODY>[TR]
[TD]Round </SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]1</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]2</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]6</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]7</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]8</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]9</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]10</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]11</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]12</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Donaire</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]10/36</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]6/45</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5/47</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]11/64</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5/49</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]11/65</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4/55</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]13/60</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]9/61</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]12/63</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]9/64</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4/57</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]28%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]13%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]11%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]17%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]10%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]17%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]7%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]22%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]15%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]19%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]14%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]7%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Narvaez</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]8/31</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]6/24</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5/13</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]10/31</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]10/32</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/23</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5/21</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5/23</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/27</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]6/23</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]6/31</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]7/20</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]26%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]25%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]38%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]32%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]31%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]13%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]24%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]22%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]11%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]26%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]19%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]35%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
</TBODY>[/TABLE]
Jabs Landed / Thrown</SPAN>
[TABLE="width: 91%"]
<TBODY>[TR]
[TD]Round </SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]1</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]2</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]6</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]7</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]8</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]9</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]10</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]11</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]12</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Donaire</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]0/9</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]1/17</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]2/22</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]1/19</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]1/22</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]1/27</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]0/29</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]2/27</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]1/28</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/27</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]1/23</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]1/16</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]0%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]6%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]9%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]0%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]7%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]11%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]6%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Narvaez</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]2/14</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/11</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]2/6</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5/16</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]6/25</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/11</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/14</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]2/15</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/21</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4/13</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/23</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5/14</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]27%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]33%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]31%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]24%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]27%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]21%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]13%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]14%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]31%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]13%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]36%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
</TBODY>[/TABLE]
Power Punches Landed / Thrown</SPAN>
[TABLE="width: 91%"]
<TBODY>[TR]
[TD]Round </SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]1</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]2</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]6</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]7</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]8</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]9</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]10</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]11</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]12</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Donaire</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]10/27</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5/28</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/25</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]10/45</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4/27</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]10/38</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4/26</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]11/33</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]8/33</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]9/36</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]8/41</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/41</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]37%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]18%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]12%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]22%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]15%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]26%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]15%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]33%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]24%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]25%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]20%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]7%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Narvaez</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]6/17</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/13</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/7</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5/15</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]4/7</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]0/12</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]2/7</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/8</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]0/6</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]2/10</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]3/8</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]2/6</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]35%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]23%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]43%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]33%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]57%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]0%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]29%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]38%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]0%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]20%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]38%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]33%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
</TBODY>[/TABLE]
Final PunchStat Report</SPAN>
Punches Landed / Thrown</SPAN>
[TABLE="width: 82%, align: center"]
<TBODY>[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Total Punches</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]Jabs</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]Power Punches</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Donaire</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]99 / 666</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]14 / 266</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]85 / 400</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]5%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]21%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Narvaez</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]74 / 299</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]41 / 183</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]33 / 116</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]22%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[TD]28%</SPAN>
[/TD]
[/TR]
</TBODY>[/TABLE]

 

what rounds did you have him winning?

punchstat is horseshit, says nothing of quality

 

The idea that Narvaez landed twice as many punches in round 5 is laughable. Those punchstats are awful. Just watch your average amateur boxing match to get an idea of how useful or accurate punchstats are.

Despite being hugely disappointed with Donaire at the time, he didn't even come close to losing a round. That's partly because Narvaez didn't even try to win a round.

 

This guy gave Narvaez round 2: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/spor...nd-round-recap-nonito-donaire-vs-omar-narvaez

This guy gave Narvavez at least four of the early rounds: http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/10/donaire-narvaez-undercard/

No shutouts from the people on this thread, http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/10/...live-results-round-by-round-coverage#comments including these two comments :[h=5]10-10 again, 58-58[/h]
by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 22, 2011 11:59 PM EDT reply actions

[h=5][/h]I have it even through 6.

by bachwards on Oct 23, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

 

And thereby becomes a leading candidate for retard of the decade.

 

seriously... that is insane

 

How suitable that the page mikE refers to is opposingviews.com

 

Arce fight is/will be awful, disappointing to see certain sections of boxing press suggest its an improvement over nishioka, mathebula etc. Rigondeaux could be boring if rigo becomes worried about donaire's power early, but its still intriguing and could be awesome, arce hasn't a hope.

 

::

 

:laughing:

 

Well at least the Arce fight will be an exciting one. Rigondeaux has all the makings of a sleeper imo

 

statisticS

 

Enough talk about about midgets.

George Groves vs Glen Johnson.

Discuss.

 

The arce fight will be rubbish. He found a way out of his last fight and will be totally outclassed vs donaire. Just showing up for a cheque. One way beatdown. The other fight will be explosive with one guy goin to sleep.

 

Being "Boring" or NOT "Marketable" is a LAME Ass Reason to Avoid a LEGITIMATELY Tough Opponent Though...Donaire Acts as if he's a PPV Attraction Himself, or Something...Donaire Always Said the Right Things in Regards to "Fighting Anybody" & Whatnot UNTIL Guillermo Rigondeaux Turned Pro...

Nonito's OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED about Rigondeaux & Rightfully So...2 Time Gold Medalist, Top 10 Lb for Lb'der ALREADY...Like REED Said, Donaire vs Rigondeaux is a Lower Weight SUPERFIGHT...THIS Era's Version of Carlos Zarate vs. Alfonso Zamora, Zarate vs. Wilfredo Gomez OR Gomez vs. Salvador Sanchez....




REED