Cotto vs Canelo: EARLY PREDICTIONS

Discussion in 'General Boxing Discussion' started by Xplosive, Jun 7, 2015.

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  1. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    He was a title holder at 140, never the legitimate champion.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #61
  2. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    You weren't dominant at 140 from 2004-06 if you didn't fight Floyd or Hatton.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #62
  3. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    WBO & WBC champ
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #63
  4. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    REED and muzse are proven Gaybox haters
     
    cdogg187, Jun 9, 2015
    #64
  5. Haymaker

    Haymaker WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Yeah, count me in too.
     
    Haymaker, Jun 9, 2015
    #65
  6. Muzse

    Muzse "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    It's not hate if it's true.

    BOOM!
     
    Muzse, Jun 9, 2015
    #66
  7. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Never fought the other top guys. Never beat a top-3 fighter in the division.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #67
  8. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Rich hatton :Laugh102: Cotto would have destroyed him.

    Mayweather never faced Hatton or Cotto at 140 either.
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #68
  9. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Cotto was way more Dominant at 140 than Hatton or Mayweather. After Hatton beat Kostya, who did he fight?
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #69
  10. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Hatton was the champion. Cotto "wasn't ready" for Mayweather back then. Dominant champion though :atu:
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #70
  11. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Man, you get off track so easily these days. I didn't say Hatto or Floyd were dominant at 140. They weren't.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #71
  12. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Because he beat Kostya. But who did he fight after that? Again, Cotto was more dominant at 140 against higher level guys than Hatton or Mayweather
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #72
  13. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Get off track? lol
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #73
  14. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Irrelevant. Cotto wasn't a dominant 140lb champion. What other guys did or didn't do can't change that.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #74
  15. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Clogg said Cotto never dominated. He dominated everyone he faced at 140 and defended his belts i believe 13 times. That's pretty dominant. Never lost at 140 is pretty dominant. That hook? Pretty dominant
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #75
  16. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Yes. We're discussing Cotto's reign at 140lb, not Hatton's or Mayweather's.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #76
  17. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Dominating fights against lower top-10 guys and being a dominant champion are not the same thing.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #77
  18. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    You brought them up.
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #78
  19. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Not their reigns. But you know the difference.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #79
  20. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Compare his record at 140 to any other title holder at 140 at the time with legit belts. Who has a better record?
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #80
  21. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    How does not beating Hatton or Floyd change the fact that cotto was a Dominant champ at 140.
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #81
  22. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    This is like saying ggg hasnt been dominant because he hasnt beaten Cotto.
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #82
  23. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Doninant champion implies you dominated a weight class, no?
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #83
  24. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Maybe if GGG's handlers said he wasn't ready for Cotto. And we all knew Cotto would beat GGG. Then it would be like saying that.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #84
  25. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Or Dominating. the Circumstances as to why he never fought Hatton are unclear. But that doesnt change the fact that he dominated everyone he faced at 140. And was a legit title holder of more legit titles than Hatton or Mayweather at that weight class during their time there together.
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #85
  26. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    He didn't dominate 140. He wasn't a dominant champion. You're reaching, big time.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #86
  27. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    ok. I said he was a dominant 140 pound champ. You take those words and run with them as you please.
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
    #87
  28. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Right. And under any reasonable measure, you were wrong to say that.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
    #88
  29. loadedgloves

    loadedgloves "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    exactly what I was thinking. Hatton straight up ducked Cotto. As far as Floyd, there was no way Arum was gonna let that happen back then. But Floyd only spent a year at 140 before moving up anyway.
     
    loadedgloves, Jun 9, 2015
    #89
  30. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    only on fightbeat could a fighter have 14 title fights, with 12 knockouts and not be considered dominant.
     
    Anthony, Jun 9, 2015
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