Cotto vs Canelo: EARLY PREDICTIONS

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  1. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    He was a title holder at 140, never the legitimate champion.
     
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    You weren't dominant at 140 from 2004-06 if you didn't fight Floyd or Hatton.
     
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    WBO & WBC champ
     
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    Yeah, count me in too.
     
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  7. steve_dave

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    Never fought the other top guys. Never beat a top-3 fighter in the division.
     
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    Rich hatton :Laugh102: Cotto would have destroyed him.

    Mayweather never faced Hatton or Cotto at 140 either.
     
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    Cotto was way more Dominant at 140 than Hatton or Mayweather. After Hatton beat Kostya, who did he fight?
     
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    Hatton was the champion. Cotto "wasn't ready" for Mayweather back then. Dominant champion though :atu:
     
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    Man, you get off track so easily these days. I didn't say Hatto or Floyd were dominant at 140. They weren't.
     
    steve_dave, Jun 9, 2015
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    Because he beat Kostya. But who did he fight after that? Again, Cotto was more dominant at 140 against higher level guys than Hatton or Mayweather
     
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    Get off track? lol
     
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    Irrelevant. Cotto wasn't a dominant 140lb champion. What other guys did or didn't do can't change that.
     
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    Clogg said Cotto never dominated. He dominated everyone he faced at 140 and defended his belts i believe 13 times. That's pretty dominant. Never lost at 140 is pretty dominant. That hook? Pretty dominant
     
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    Yes. We're discussing Cotto's reign at 140lb, not Hatton's or Mayweather's.
     
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    Dominating fights against lower top-10 guys and being a dominant champion are not the same thing.
     
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    You brought them up.
     
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    Not their reigns. But you know the difference.
     
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    Compare his record at 140 to any other title holder at 140 at the time with legit belts. Who has a better record?
     
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    How does not beating Hatton or Floyd change the fact that cotto was a Dominant champ at 140.
     
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    This is like saying ggg hasnt been dominant because he hasnt beaten Cotto.
     
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    Doninant champion implies you dominated a weight class, no?
     
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    Maybe if GGG's handlers said he wasn't ready for Cotto. And we all knew Cotto would beat GGG. Then it would be like saying that.
     
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    Or Dominating. the Circumstances as to why he never fought Hatton are unclear. But that doesnt change the fact that he dominated everyone he faced at 140. And was a legit title holder of more legit titles than Hatton or Mayweather at that weight class during their time there together.
     
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    He didn't dominate 140. He wasn't a dominant champion. You're reaching, big time.
     
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    ok. I said he was a dominant 140 pound champ. You take those words and run with them as you please.
     
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    Right. And under any reasonable measure, you were wrong to say that.
     
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    exactly what I was thinking. Hatton straight up ducked Cotto. As far as Floyd, there was no way Arum was gonna let that happen back then. But Floyd only spent a year at 140 before moving up anyway.
     
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    only on fightbeat could a fighter have 14 title fights, with 12 knockouts and not be considered dominant.
     
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