It's a shame Ortiz is having to step up. He's already stocky and his strength advantage is a facet of his style, don't know how he'll handle 147....
I don't find it a very important point, tbh. In fact i won't even bore us all with the counter points since I'm sure we can all anticipate them...
Can anyone think of any MMs where they think a guy considered far inferior would greatly trouble a great fighter? Like my opinion on Machen-Ali,...
Yeah I think prime Ali definitely wins. I think Machen gives him problems though and if it's a pre or post prime Ali the potential for a...
Milderberger is pretty much the exact opposite of said characteristics.
Young & Jones were both smaller & slower and neither were particularly big punchers. But both were very skilled counter punchers & feinters who...
I personally like Machen's counter punching & patience to give Ali a really shitty night here. The big man was never comfortable leading the dance...
Bet it's Kessington Square beside the east end of Glasgow :lol:
Relative to the size of boxing itself, Hagler-Hearns wasn't that much bigger than Hopkins-Trinidad. Both were fights between top 10 p4pers and...
Let's make it a fightbeat tradition.:bears:
Me & Sly are still e-enemies forever though.
I think Hagler is greater. But I think the question is worthy of a thread and I'm not too disappointed that the final vote has turned out close,...
Right that's it, you've been grinding my seeds for too long sly. E-blood-fued forever!:flip:
I disagree fairly strongly.....for all the reasons I've already went through and won't bore you with again :NotThink:
Hopkins was a phenomenal fighter. He'd give any middleweight, ever, a bastard of a fight. I still think Hopkins 98-99 edges out Jones, actually.
I don't think McCloskey is a goer, but yeah, Khanvs tba & Berto/Ortiz is a very decent double bill
I don't think they'd pull him even, personally. I don't even think they'd pull him that close. And I definitely don't think Hopkins deserves extra...
Lewis sucked. 'Biiig ooooop' while curling his lip and thumping his chest. Total charisma vacuum.
I think there's maybe some distinction to be made between combination punching and flurrying. Marquez is a combination puncher. Every punch is...
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Marquez rules. :bears:
He fought no or nearly brothers. The brothers, the brothers, aiiiight? Significant mark against his name, IMO.
Include it, of course, just don't weight (sorry I'm not sure how to avoid that weak pun!) it massively more favourably.
Im glad somebody else feels this way. I felt like I was drifting through deep space like bender in futurama there.:old:
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Well Hopkins ability to fill out to 175 is half my point. I just don't see how that's a demonstration of greatness over a 5'8 stocky guy who's...
Yeah & Glen Catley was one more super middleweight than Benny Leonard ever fucking beat, is Dingaan Thobela the greater fighter now?
cdogg, had Hopkins beaten Wright & Pavlik at 160 would that have made his 160 resume better than Haglers, IYO?
I'd argue not very different. Greatness is just the extent your betterness was proveafied.
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