Floyd wide UD. My reasoning: Shane SUCKS going forward, he's reaching, wild and impatient and all his best performances have been guys who came...
He illustrated that in the first 9 rounds though, not the last 3, didn't he? Despite taking more hard shots per round in the first 9. That's just...
To answer your questions - Pep, Moore, Ali & Whitaker. But apart from Armstrong/Pep (which is highly debatable), the answer to the question also...
Ok then, Oscar De la Hoya put in a MASTERFUL defensive display in the last 3 rounds against Trinidad. He barely took 5 clean punches in 3 rounds,...
WTF?:dunno:
Let me submit once more - defense has to be evaluated in THE CONTEXT OF A STYLE! If a guy is landing 10 punches but takes 3 in that time period,...
Basically just ADMITTING a bias that might contribute to us being wrong in our evaluations of fights or fighters at times or at least skewered in...
Just from an observers perspective I reckon your biases might be reinterpreted as: A) biased towards guys with great speed and athleticism who...
With due respect Sly, Im not sure you're really entering into the spirit of the thread. :lol: You've basically said here: 'Im biased towards guys...
I see! Your Tyson & Duran hatred had previously puzzled the hell out of me. :bears: Still can't understand not liking Duran's style though. There...
Lets try and be self analytical and honest here. Lets try NOT to shine the light on others but on OURSELVES (at least not to start with :lol:)....
Fair enough. I'll defer to my elders and consider myself educated.:lol:
Even if Hopkins wasn't also shot?
I think he could reasonably place top 40. Top 20, no.
Whats your point? That Haye hasn't proven as much in 4 fights at heavyweight as the guy whos been champ on and off for a decade?:dunno: That he...
My point was just that its not a huge claim. And on a single shot basis Haye is fast. Tyson was definitely much faster. Holmes, too actually. So...
Yup, like I said, he can't seem to throw more than two punches in a row without getting sloppy and loose. The parallels with Hamed mount.....
Hopkins will show him TOO much respect early and probably share the first 4 rounds. He's role playing out a personal fantasy that he's fighting...
Agree 100%. Vitali would monster him.
speed = distance/time, mate. And the birds go tweet. Don't insult my intelligence, either read my post again or lets agree to disagree, since our...
Haye's IN RING practical speed, ie his ability to land unpredictable punches that guys don't see is impressive. Just like a young Hamed. Thinking...
Power looks pretty comparable to me. Of course what made Hamed unique is that THAT type of ability to hurt guys is rare at feather.
No, the distance they travel is very relevant. A short punch will take less time or frames to travel it's distance. But that doesn't mean it's...
Id agree with that, certainly. Haye is like Hamed - a very quick, unpredictable counter puncher. He can't throw combos for shit without getting...
Haye is vulnerable. But he's getting the job done. I don't think he beats either Klit or is the future of the division, my original point was just...
Other than Tua, sorry.
Allot of those shots are sloppy and long and they look slow. Allot of them actually are telegraphed, he seems to throw under fatigue and off...
He's vulnerable, often sloppy has substandard stamina and knows it and below average chin. But his power and ability to land shots clearly makes...
Idiocy. Based on what? Close wins over Oquendo, McLine or 1 armed Oldyfield? Haye would have knocked those guys out. Byrd was about as good as...
Povetkin throws SHORTER more compact punches. They aren't faster.
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