Marquez rules. :bears:
He fought no or nearly brothers. The brothers, the brothers, aiiiight? Significant mark against his name, IMO.
Include it, of course, just don't weight (sorry I'm not sure how to avoid that weak pun!) it massively more favourably.
Im glad somebody else feels this way. I felt like I was drifting through deep space like bender in futurama there.:old:
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Well Hopkins ability to fill out to 175 is half my point. I just don't see how that's a demonstration of greatness over a 5'8 stocky guy who's...
Yeah & Glen Catley was one more super middleweight than Benny Leonard ever fucking beat, is Dingaan Thobela the greater fighter now?
cdogg, had Hopkins beaten Wright & Pavlik at 160 would that have made his 160 resume better than Haglers, IYO?
I'd argue not very different. Greatness is just the extent your betterness was proveafied.
Tarver was the only bigger man he beat. Making middleweights come up to fight him at 170 didn't score him any points on the weightclass front.
Double L's a stand up geezer. I like that he has different perspectives on some things & will argue for them, it stimulates thought, debate, fun....
And BTW, I wasn't necessarily comparing Hamed to Tyson in my original post - just saying that similar principals apply in gauging just how good...
I'm always curious how heavyweight achievements get weighted versus smaller guys. I mean, a featherweight wins a title, beats a great bantamweight...
Exactly. It's kinda like Tyson, IMO. By the time either fought anyone good they had declined. So it's totally subjective how good they were at...
This is pretty much the nail on the head. I'd rank Oscar, Marquez & Lopez together in a special 'very, very near great but not quite' category, I...
Yup. I'd consider Cotto a counter puncher, personally. He looks for openings, looks to pattern his opponent, time them etc. He doesn't go forcing...
Me too! Fightbeat rules!:partie:
I'm sure Double L is touched.:Thumbs::TLC:
Oh jeez not another efued.:scared: Whats this about?
Longevity's overrated, anyway. You prove what you prove, who cares how long or how short you manage to do it in.
You'd have to be to walk the streets with a hair-do like that. Same reason I never mess with a guy with a non-ironic tache.
Froch & Ward>Calzaghe.:cheer:
Double L isn't afraid to swim against the tide! I love fightbeat! :bears:
That'd be a good scenario.
If it's just 'Khan' announcing it, be sure it'll be a joke of an opponent. Prescott at best. Can't wait to see Bradley beat Khan's ass :crafty:
It was quite abstract and pleasing. I like a bit of garnish on my steak on occasion.
I like this one. It was evocative and made me both horny and vomitous simultaneously!:bears:
Exactly. Great fighters, and especially great fighters 2 divisions and 7 years past their best only ever lose to great fighters.:bears:
I dunno, maybe Im just arguing for the sake of it :lol:
Fair enough. I can understand that point of view, but to me (now :lol:) the point in a resume isn't about adding up every win like computer game...
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