I disagree fairly strongly.....for all the reasons I've already went through and won't bore you with again :NotThink:
Hopkins was a phenomenal fighter. He'd give any middleweight, ever, a bastard of a fight. I still think Hopkins 98-99 edges out Jones, actually.
I don't think McCloskey is a goer, but yeah, Khanvs tba & Berto/Ortiz is a very decent double bill
It's a shame Ortiz is having to step up. He's already stocky and his strength advantage is a facet of his style, don't know how he'll handle 147....
I don't think they'd pull him even, personally. I don't even think they'd pull him that close. And I definitely don't think Hopkins deserves extra...
Lewis sucked. 'Biiig ooooop' while curling his lip and thumping his chest. Total charisma vacuum.
I think there's maybe some distinction to be made between combination punching and flurrying. Marquez is a combination puncher. Every punch is...
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Marquez rules. :bears:
He fought no or nearly brothers. The brothers, the brothers, aiiiight? Significant mark against his name, IMO.
Include it, of course, just don't weight (sorry I'm not sure how to avoid that weak pun!) it massively more favourably.
Im glad somebody else feels this way. I felt like I was drifting through deep space like bender in futurama there.:old:
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Well Hopkins ability to fill out to 175 is half my point. I just don't see how that's a demonstration of greatness over a 5'8 stocky guy who's...
Yeah & Glen Catley was one more super middleweight than Benny Leonard ever fucking beat, is Dingaan Thobela the greater fighter now?
cdogg, had Hopkins beaten Wright & Pavlik at 160 would that have made his 160 resume better than Haglers, IYO?
I'd argue not very different. Greatness is just the extent your betterness was proveafied.
Tarver was the only bigger man he beat. Making middleweights come up to fight him at 170 didn't score him any points on the weightclass front.
Double L's a stand up geezer. I like that he has different perspectives on some things & will argue for them, it stimulates thought, debate, fun....
And BTW, I wasn't necessarily comparing Hamed to Tyson in my original post - just saying that similar principals apply in gauging just how good...
I'm always curious how heavyweight achievements get weighted versus smaller guys. I mean, a featherweight wins a title, beats a great bantamweight...
Exactly. It's kinda like Tyson, IMO. By the time either fought anyone good they had declined. So it's totally subjective how good they were at...
This is pretty much the nail on the head. I'd rank Oscar, Marquez & Lopez together in a special 'very, very near great but not quite' category, I...
Yup. I'd consider Cotto a counter puncher, personally. He looks for openings, looks to pattern his opponent, time them etc. He doesn't go forcing...
Me too! Fightbeat rules!:partie:
I'm sure Double L is touched.:Thumbs::TLC:
Oh jeez not another efued.:scared: Whats this about?
Longevity's overrated, anyway. You prove what you prove, who cares how long or how short you manage to do it in.
You'd have to be to walk the streets with a hair-do like that. Same reason I never mess with a guy with a non-ironic tache.
Froch & Ward>Calzaghe.:cheer:
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