It matters when trolls like you run around claiming a DQ win more impressive than a points win. Especially when the guy who got the DQ win wasn't winning by actually fighting.
Make more boxing threads.. You actually make good points. Fighters today want to win as many titles in as many different weight classes as possible. I personally give more respect to the guy who actually wants to clearly prove himself as the best in one specific division.
you'd have to be an idiot to claim that Baldomir was a bigger threat than Margarito. period. end of debate.
dymipepel hacked Jaws' account! Anyone who really believes that Baldomir was a stiffer challenge is an idiot plain and simple.
dsimon writes: He is arrogant and everybody was hugging his testicles after his last fight. As though no guy in the middle divisions can throw a few counter punches and beat up an amatuer brawler who has one gear.
dsimon writes: Well D Hyperbole aside basically Margarito is guilty of over valueing himself. He hasn't fought top level comp yet. I would be suprised if he gets by Williams.
even if Margarito doesn't get by Williams, he's still better than Baldomir. anyone with eyes can see that. Baldomir's not a bad fighter, but he's slow and he's not a hard puncher. those are facts.
dsimon writes: How do you figure that? I wouldn't even compare the two frankly except that Baldimore has fought at a higher level. And who cares? Baldimores ability is not the issue. Baldimore has fought anyone to get where he is.
i'm responding to the idea that Baldomir, at the time, was a more worthy challenger than Margarito. i don't believe that. and anyone who says it is just doing so to defend PBF, not because they actually believe that.
And Wladimir Klitschko is better than Ross Purrity....anyone with eyes can see that...... right? That's why they have fights, you know, to find out who's the better fighter..... and when comparing two fighters, we're looking at who they defeated.....and guess what? Baldomir is WAY better than the fraud when it comes to head-to-head competition.
Here I agree with you. Baldomir was NOT a more worthy challenger than Margarito, because he wasn't a challenger at all. He was THE champion. And every fighter's dream and duty is to beat THE champion. Just like what PBF did.
huh? you make no point. by the time Wlad lost to Puritty he hadn't beaten anyone. so no, he isn't better than Ross. but when it comes to Margarito, he's faced and defeated fighters every bit as good as Baldomir had. and beat them far more convincingly. do you think Margarito would need 12 rounds to beat Judah? do you think Margarito would need 8 rounds to finish Gatti? and we know he didn't need a DQ to beat Clottey. you refuse to accept that Margarito is better than Baldomir because it doesn't fit with your false premise that PBF has proven himself at 147. he never did. just like he failed to do at 140. and why would he? he'd have been risking a loss, and missing the opportunity to fight ODH. what PBF needed is exactly what he got - an easy schedule for 4 years, against which he could appear, "dominant," building up to a block-buster that he may or may not win - he ended up winning. i can't blame him. but let's not pretend he did something he didn't.
Ok, let me make it real simple for you......Is Corrie Sanders better than Wladimir Klitshko? Has Margarito ever beaten a true, undisputed, linear, welterweight champion of the world, the way Baldomir did? Oh, here we go again with "the woulda" game. Margarito never met Judah, so there's no way to know what WOULDA happened. I think Judah would KO Margarito in less than 2 rounds, and my "WOULDA" opinion is about as valid as yours. I think Gatti WOULDA beat Margarito down in about 4-5 rounds, tops. I don't refuse to accept anything, as long as it's backed up by facts. And facts are, you have to play WOULDA game, to attempt to justify yoiur ridicuoloius claims.
Based on one win over Zab Judah? The same guy who lost to Spinks, Mayweather and Cotto at welterweight and who many believe should have lost to Rafael Pineda? You're basing most of you argument - if not the entire thing - based on one win. There isn't a whole lot beyond Judah's name on Baldomir's resume. Kermit Cintron and Daniel Santos are arguably more accomplished than any of the other names he's beaten...Andrew "Six Heads" Lewis might be as well. On average, I think Margarito has certainly fought the higher level of opposition.
Well, there's this Clottey guy, you know?.... I'm sorry, how many fights out of his two fights against Santos has Margarito won?
They've both beaten him, which is why I left him out. But if you really want to compare, only Margarito was actually ahead of him on points. Why don't you watch the Santos rematch and maybe you can tell me. I thought - as did the distinct majority - that Margarito was winning the fight before their second premature ending.
again. Margarito isn't glass chinned. so he doesn't run the risk of losing to inferior skilled fighters. and i agree with you as to your view that facing and defeating top competition is the only way a fighter can expect to distinguish himself. where i don't agree with you is the amount of weight you attribute to belts and lineage. why the fuck does any of that shit matter? it's not like Judah or Baldomir had been some long-standing champion who proved himself time and time again. that's when beating the champion matters. Judah didn't make one single defense, and Baldomir managed just one, against a guy who hadn't done anything at 147 except beat a retired never-was. so you go on clinging to this lineage, unified champion myth that you've formulated in your head to justify PBF's shameless cherry-picking, but know that it's you, not me, who's based his judgements on technicality B.S., choosing to go with that shit instead of opening your eyes.
Dude, I think I already told you this, but it's worth repeating. IT IS IRRELEVANT IF YOU LEAD ON POINTS AND STILL LOSE THE FIGHT. Vitaly Klitschko was leading on points against Chris Byrd. He lost the fight. He was also leading on points against Lennox Lewis. He lost the fight. Why don't you get this simple concept?
so you're saying a win is a win? was Santana's wins over Norris every but as impressive as Julian Jackson's?
The points go to the question of how good of a fighter Baldomir is. He wasn't good enough to be ahead of Clottey that was much younger and more inexperienced than the one Margarito decisioned last year. If you're judging both of their performances against Clottey, Margarito performed better. If you just want to talk about the result, from the reports I've read the dq was questionable. It is not the same as a fighter choosing to retire or a fighter being severly lacerated around his face.
Exactly. If you opponent cannot win against you without fouling out, then clearly you deserve to win. What do you propose we do, when one fighter is unable to keep the fight clean and fouls himself out? Should we declare the fight to be a draw?? :dunno:
I think I already posted screenshots somewhere, showing CLottey intentionally ramming his face in Baldomir's....something he's been doing more than a few times throughout the fight.....
